Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man

[KellyinAvon]

Oh my Keith Ellison is a loon.

He was when he was in congress, loonism is for life.

 

[Sigblitz]

Got him, I credited Sigblitz instead of you, whoops. Rep sent either way.

All good. I looked, no credit here.

 

[Route 45]

I am so sick of hearing the stupid ****ing phrase "black community."

Is Biden right?

Here are some people protecting small businesses in St. Paul, MN.

I wonder if they know what "community" they belong to.

 

[Alpo]

I'm glad to see a video like that.

Yeah. Activists promote solidarity to enhance their apparent power.

 

[churchmouse]

We've handled thousands of protesters right here in Indy with nobody on either side hurt. Protesters aren't the issue. Rioters are. And police or the NG could definitely do it with zero increase in manpower, but not in a way palatable to anyone other than a few INGOers.

I'm on the side that's tired of being *****ed at from both directions for being both too much and too little. I'm on the side that's tired of "tyranny" if X is enforced against me but "concerned about feels" if X isn't enforced against them. I'm on the side that's legitimately ****ing saddened by a lot of where our culture is heading and how readily we are balkanized and how the media and, especially, how social media exploits that for financial gain to the detriment of society.

Basically I'm on the side of tired. And I'm legitimately glad you asked that because it made me really think about if participating here makes that better or worse.

OK. You guys back off my buddy here. If you run him off its somebody's butt for sure.....

But yes, I am serious. True voices of reason and basic truths need to be heard and listened to. His is one of these.

 

[femurphy77]

I'm curious if anybody knows or cares that MN is a "duty to retreat" state?

I'm also curious as to which way you actually want it. "I don't want police using "military" tactics or equipment" vs "I want police to be able to stop thousands of violent rioters."

How many folks are heading out there?

Way back in my formative years I got to watch the successful use of water cannons on protesters of the mining of Haiphong Harbor; (I said it was way back) I can see an acceptable application of water cannons in Minneapolis. Mostly not lethal, gets the job done and mostly safe against unarmed ground assault.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I'm glad to see a video like that.

Same. Anyone exercising their rights and protecting their property from rioters is ok in my book. Black white brown purple, don’t care, protect your business and families. It looks like their being defensive, not offensive.

 

[Tombs]

I'm also curious as to which way you actually want it. "I don't want police using "military" tactics or equipment" vs "I want police to be able to stop thousands of violent rioters."

How many folks are heading out there?

If they're going to have all this military equipment, I expect them to use it for stopping a riot, not a hair salon.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Way back in my formative years I got to watch the successful use of water cannons on protesters of the mining of Haiphong Harbor; (I said it was way back) I can see an acceptable application of water cannons in Minneapolis. Mostly not lethal, gets the job done and mostly safe against unarmed ground assault.

And they can fight the fires at the same time. Win-win!

 

[Hatin Since 87]

OK. You guys back off my buddy here. If you run him off its somebody's butt for sure.....

But yes, I am serious. True voices of reason and basic truths need to be heard and listened to. His is one of these.

Tried to rep you. BBI always has a viewpoint that makes me question my own sometimes. Really good guy that always strives to do what’s right. Don’t wanna see him get aggravated and decide to stop participating.




Im betting this is going to get a lot worse since it’s about to be the weekend.

 

[printcraft]

Tried to rep you. BBI always has a viewpoint that makes me question my own sometimes. Really good guy that always strives to do what’s right. Don’t wanna see him get aggravated and decide to stop participating.




Im betting this is going to get a lot worse since it’s about to be the weekend.

Yes, the "protesters" have finished their work week and they have Saturday and Sunday off to unwind...

 

[Sigblitz]

I am so sick of hearing the stupid ****ing phrase "black community."

Is Biden right?

Here are some people protecting small businesses in St. Paul, MN.

I wonder if they know what "community" they belong to.

Come on AK guy, quit pointing that at people.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

If they're going to have all this military equipment, I expect them to use it for stopping a riot, not a hair salon.

I think the equipment is to be used in situations like the Boston bombings, or the Hollywood bank robbery. An argument can be made that they’re committing acts of terrorism, but that excuse can be made to deploy military equipment in a lot of situations. Should they be deployed when a sporting event turns into a riot? Do we really want the guard marching our streets every time a riot happens? I, personally, do not. I think it opens the door for future leaders to label something “terrorism” and use the military to counter it. What would stop the governor of Virginia from claiming thousands marching with guns to be an act of terrorism if the precedent to use military against citizens has been set? Slippery slope I don’t wish to go down.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Yes, the "protesters" have finished their work week and they have Saturday and Sunday off to unwind...

No but I’m willing to bet certain leaders will be bussing people in from other areas this weekend, and counter protestors will be arriving over the weekend as well I’m sure.

 

[Rick Mason]

WATCH: CNN’s Oscar Jimenez arrested on live TV while covering the Minneapolis riots

‘Top-notch detective work’: Minnesota State Patrol getting dragged over its explanation of CNN crew arrest

Lots of different groups are not exactly covering themselves with glory in this tragic situation.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Come on AK guy, quit pointing that at people.

What good is owning an AK if you can’t point it at people

 

[Tombs]

I think the equipment is to be used in situations like the Boston bombings, or the Hollywood bank robbery. An argument can be made that they’re committing acts of terrorism, but that excuse can be made to deploy military equipment in a lot of situations. Should they be deployed when a sporting event turns into a riot? Do we really want the guard marching our streets every time a riot happens? I, personally, do not. I think it opens the door for future leaders to label something “terrorism” and use the military to counter it. What would stop the governor of Virginia from claiming thousands marching with guns to be an act of terrorism if the precedent to use military against citizens has been set? Slippery slope I don’t wish to go down.

The line is not hard to draw on when to use this equipment.

Is the police force entirely overwhelmed and unable to conduct business as usual? If yes, then deploy the next level of force.
Could a single sheriff having a sit down conversation with someone probably resolve the situation without a show of force? If yes, then don't deploy excessive force.

What about all this dystopian spying equipment the government has? Are they going to use it to spy on political opponents, or are they going to use it to identify as many people as possible at this riot, and accurately charge and prosecute them for their crimes?

P.S. The point at which you abandon a police department because it's being over run, is the point at which all available options of force have been exhausted and you are summarily defeated.
The police station had explosives and various other things in it, that should have been defended.

 

[Leadeye]

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This guy is a complete idiot.


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I'm pretty sure that 400 years ago there were only Indians and the occasional fur trapper in Minnesota.
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[KG1]

Who’s picking on BBI?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

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I'm pretty sure that 400 years ago there were only Indians and the occasional fur trapper in Minnesota.
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Maybe they’re outraged about the Indians?