First Confrontation with LEO while OCing

[PatriotPride]

Here we go AGAIN. Everyone carries OC/CC for a different reason. Some opinion are seen as misguided, while others are not. No need to get heated and make it an issue. It's all a matter of preference.

 

[long coat]

I think you would fear the gun you can't see.

 

[UncleMike]

So you are immediately scared of every holstered gun you see on someone not in uniform?

Nope!
I'm not much afraid of anything.

Just a clarification. You mention that you have Never OC'd, but then later state the years that you have been in Law Enforcement. So did you CC while in Law Enforcement too?

I'm fat. Sometimes, OC is the only way to comfortable carry a firearm. Others would say it is a problem that the average citizen is scared of a firearm being legally and sensibly carried. I don't OC often, but I do do it. Rest assured, I and others who have done extensive learning and about the legal and physical aspects of self defense fully understand the life and death aspect of it.

You didn't have to tell me that you are studying Law. It's obvious by your first dumb Lawyer question about on duty carry.

I think you would fear the gun you can't see.

The obvious danger is the one that gets first response.
You'd do well to remember that when you OC.
Mike

 

[mk2ja]

I walked out of a gas station yesterday in Nashville IN and was stopped by a Brown County Sheriffs Deputy. I think he noticed me walk in with it and waited for me to walk out. He just asked for my LTCH (he asked for a permit) so I grabbed my wallet out and handed it to him. After about 10 seconds of looking at it he said he was looking for the expiration date. I told him that he wouldn't find one since it was a Lifetime LTCH. He said that it would draw attention by carrying it out in the open, then asked if I was looking to get attention. The encounter lasted about 1 minute and I was on my way. I'm just glad he didn't take my gun and unload it or anything dumb like that. +1 for the Brown County Sheriffs Department.

Congrats on the short encounter and on not being required to disarm! It helps to be carrying in a place you're allowed to be carrying, that's for sure.

 

[Jack Ryan]

My MIL lives there, maybe I should start OC when in town?

It sounds like he broke the law by asking you for your LTCH.

TRAMPLED HIS RIGHTS! HE SHOULD HAVE REFUSED WITH EXTREME PREDJUDICE!

 

[E'villeGunner]

I'm with you on this UncleMike, I have only CC'd due to the fact that I don't want undue attention brought to me. IF you OC then you will have to EXPECT that attention and not WHINE about it when it comes your way!

 

[indyjoe]

You didn't have to tell me that you are studying Law. It's obvious by your first dumb Lawyer question about on duty carry

Sorry to disappoint, I've never studied law. What you said has proved my point. It seems that in your opinion, a uniformed officer is the only person who should be allowed to carry a firearm OC. In your mind, you don't even see that as OC. Otherwise you wouldn't have stated it in those terms (never OC'ed.)

OC is legal and in many instances a good idea. You may not agree. That is too bad.

 

[UncleMike]

Sorry to disappoint, I've never studied law. What you said has proved my point. It seems that in your opinion, a uniformed officer is the only person who should be allowed to carry a firearm OC. In your mind, you don't even see that as OC. Otherwise you wouldn't have stated it in those terms (never OC'ed.)

OC is legal and in many instances a good idea. You may not agree. That is too bad.

You really need to resist the urge to second guess another persons opinion.
It will do you no good in life.
I, at NO point in my statement, said ANYTHING about my opinion as to whom should be allowed to carry OC.
I was stating MY PERSONAL position on the subject of OC.
If you would spend as much time trying to understand another persons statement as you spend trying to twist their words to fit your argument, you would soon become an intelligent person.
Give it a try!
BTW, I also stated that OC IS legal but that it comes with responsibilities.
Perhaps after you've lived long enough to learn what responsibilities are you will comprehend my position.
Mike

 

[downzero]

I'm glad to see that there are some professional officers (deputies?) on the street.

 

[Joe Williams]

I've carried every day for forty years.
Never OC'd.
I saw no need to impress anyone by exposing my firearm.
Never had a hassle.
Never had a problem.
Sorry, but no sympathy for anyone who does have a problem.
There's a great deal of responsibility that goes with carrying the power of life and death with you. And that's EXACTLY what carrying a side arm confers.
Just because something is legal doesn't mean that you are required to do it in a manner that scares the average Citizen, who usually see a gun as a threat.

Mike

Not all of us feel the need to act as if we are ashamed of being free citizens, or wish to hide our decision to exercise our rights like some coward cringing at the thought that a cop who thinks we give a rat's rear about his/her worthless opinion may feel the urge to share it.

To imply that choosing to OC is somehow irresponsible is disgusting anti-gunner garbage.

 

[ryknoll3]

I didn't mention you, or anyone else by name.
I was stating my reason for carrying concealed.
And YES!!!!!
After twenty three years in Law enforcement I know FOR A FACT that the average Citizen will see a firearm as a threat.
As will damn near any Police Officer who wants to go home at the end of his shift.
Mike

Surprise, surprise.... another LEO who doesn't like the citizenry to open carry.

 

[UncleMike]

Not all of us feel the need to act as if we are ashamed of being free citizens, or wish to hide our decision to exercise our rights like some coward cringing at the thought that a cop who thinks we give a rat's rear about his/her worthless opinion may feel the urge to share it.

To imply that choosing to OC is somehow irresponsible is disgusting anti-gunner garbage.

I wasn't implying anything Joe!!
Just stating my personal opinion based on my personal experience.
As a lover of freedom you should understand that.
Mike

 

[rmabrey]

YouTube - Queen - 'Another One Bites the Dust'

 

[EvilKidsMeal]

does anyone else find it appropriate to start a new section on arguing about OC/CC?

or perhaps a new thread "Bored?...How about arguing about something thats been covered a billion times"

 

[rmabrey]

does anyone else find it appropriate to start a new section on arguing about OC/CC?

or perhaps a new thread "Bored?...How about arguing about something thats been covered a billion times"

I already did that
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...argueing_for_the_sake_of_argueing_thread.html

 

[UncleMike]

Surprise, surprise.... another LEO who doesn't like the citizenry to open carry.

I didn't say that.
Nor did I imply that.
Mike

 

[Joe Williams]

BTW, I would have said it was a fine interaction, if the LEO had stopped at checking the LTCH and resisted the impulse impulse to open his craphole and give you his opinion. If he wants to do that, he needs to wait until he's on his own time, and not acting as an agent of the government.

Of course, I think the requirement to obtain an LTCH is an un-Constitutional infringement, but it's one we are stuck with for the time being.

 

[UncleMike]

does anyone else find it appropriate to start a new section on arguing about OC/CC?

or perhaps a new thread "Bored?...How about arguing about something thats been covered a billion times"

I already did that
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...argueing_for_the_sake_of_argueing_thread.html

OK
I'll get off the subject.
Some of you know how I feel about "Cop Bashers".
They rank right down there with Libs, Socialists, and Democrats.
Mike

 

[E5RANGER375]

sounds like it went well. when he asked if you wanted attention you should have told him that yes, you hope every criminal in nashville see's you. i've OC'd in nashville a couple times, no problems. had a few people look at me like I was the anti-christ, but othert than that, all good.

^^ just kidding on what i said above about the criminals. I would have shook his hand and thanked him for his input, and also thanks for doing a good job. seriously i would have

 

[indyjoe]

You really need to resist the urge to second guess another persons opinion.
It will do you no good in life.
I, at NO point in my statement, said ANYTHING about my opinion as to whom should be allowed to carry OC.
I was stating MY PERSONAL position on the subject of OC.
If you would spend as much time trying to understand another persons statement as you spend trying to twist their words to fit your argument, you would soon become an intelligent person.
Give it a try!
BTW, I also stated that OC IS legal but that it comes with responsibilities.
Perhaps after you've lived long enough to learn what responsibilities are you will comprehend my position.

I try to not twist your words, but in this statement alone you said three condescending things to someone whom you don't know.

1 - I am not intelligent.
2 - I know nothing of responsibilities.
3 - I can't comprehend your position.

You stated in a previous post that you have no feelings for some who is hassled by LEO for OC'ing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for anyone who does have a problem.

However, there is many documented cases of the hassling being to the point that is ILLEGAL. Do you not have and feeling for them then? Or was it their fault for carrying in a way that "asked for it"? (Yes, the idea of victim blame for rape seems similar to me.)

I totally agree with you that OC comes with responsibilities. It contains all the responsibilities of CC and then some.

If I read too much into your statements, I apologize. I think this is a situation where we just don't agree totally and that is perfectly fine. I respect your service to the community as an LEO.