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As William Pitt said, necessity is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves.
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Feds to require a "black box" in every vehicle
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As William Pitt said, necessity is the argument of tyrants and the creed of slaves.
No I understand. The reason you have to track mileage by state is for state taxes.
You wouldn't need to do that for a Federal Tax. Especially since state road budgets are not connected to state taxes collected. All the money goes in the Treasury, they print what they don't have, and then all the money goes out of the Treasury. None of it stays where it was collected.
Seriously, When did critical reading cease to be a well practiced skill? I work with 5th graders to practice this. Read the article (a year old mind you) and tell me where in the article it states the "black box" records movement, transmits data or is available to the federal government.
Are you back? Did you find it?
What is stated is a NHTSA mandate for data recorders for pre-crash data. The article goes on to state that this could be used in a court of law. Now how many traffic incidents are prosecuted at the federal level?
Perhaps there's some other sources that might justify this paranoia?
Full disclosure: I have worked on this technology (and have a working knowledge on On Star, which is not the same thing). It's similar to the black boxes in airplanes. It records to internal memory a loop of parameters. When a crash occurs, determined by sensors (accelerometers and others) that a crash occurs, the data is frozen for later analysis.
Pre-1996 would be a very difficult retro-fit. But I'm guessing you aren't taking into account the physical possibility of the issue. Not much of a gear head, huh?
As if the government cares? They'd just as soon tell you that you aren't allowed to drive that car. That's how it works with emissions testing in my county. Meet their standards or you don't get plates.Pre-1996 would be a very difficult retro-fit. But I'm guessing you aren't taking into account the physical possibility of the issue. Not much of a gear head, huh?
Progressive Snapshot.
Another nifty device.
Will Progressive share my information?
We won't share Snapshot information unless it's required to service your insurance policy, prevent fraud, perform research or comply with the law. We also won't use Snapshot information to resolve a claim unless you or the registered vehicle owner permits us to do so.
Another nifty device.
Will Progressive share my information?
We won't share Snapshot information unless it's required to service your insurance policy, prevent fraud, perform research or comply with the law. We also won't use Snapshot information to resolve a claim unless you or the registered vehicle owner permits us to do so.
My Brother has been decoding and testifying on the contents of Black boxes for years. I am talking about the ones already on your vehicles and boats. It will be easy as hell to add features. Talk to any SW Engineer who has been working on them for the past 30 years and he will tell you that. FYI My Bro is an ME he only does it when he has too due to possible legal liability for the Corp.
If your wreck is serious enough, it is pretty much hard to lie about it and that is before they hit your cell phone data.
Unplug people, unplug.
If your wreck is serious enough, it is pretty much hard to lie about it and that is before they hit your cell phone data.
Unplug people, unplug.
You can make any car compatible with emissions requirements by bolting on the right hardware. You can't suddenly make an analog vehicle digital (it's an analogy) by connecting it to a Speak-n-Spell and a record player with some wires and alligator clips just because you want to.
All a GPS needs is a power source.
But, we are not talking about a GPS (a cellular modem) - we are talking about data logging. Again, read the article, not Rombone's propaganda. That requires quite a bit of sensors attached to various elements in the vehicle (throttle position, wheel speed, etc.) It's not an easy task to retrofit a vehicle.
Welcome to INGO, I'm sure you'll hit 50 post in no time. However, your terse argument is somewhat specious. There's a plethora of things I can't do to my automobile - use blue headlamps, remove the catalytic converter, etc. I'd hardly call having an event recorder that can be recovered in the event of a collision a loss of a "right" - enumerated or not. My reasoning? You're on a public road and the data recorded is but a more sophisticated and accurate version of a bystander's testimony.
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The irony of you statement is that we (as a society) are more willing to be "tracked" than ever. My wife and I can't go to a restaurant without her telling the whole world where we are!
But don't misunderstand me - there's a big difference between [STRIKE]idiots[/STRIKE] citizens willingly sharing information and governments demanding it. We must constantly remain vigilant, but with thinking caps and not tin foil. Rambone's cry of wolf don't help.
But, we are not talking about a GPS (a cellular modem) - we are talking about data logging. Again, read the article, not Rombone's propaganda. That requires quite a bit of sensors attached to various elements in the vehicle (throttle position, wheel speed, etc.) It's not an easy task to retrofit a vehicle.All a GPS needs is a power source.
This. If you haven't taken apart a car's engine, I don't think you fully appreciate the complexity of the task. (You is general, not you personally JK.)
Sure having thing like TPS, VSS, PPS, etc will help in adjudicating blame during a crash, but so would something as simple as GPS, which will give you all the data you need to construct a physical representation of what happened, including accelerations and velocities.
The only thing you wouldn't have is driver input, which can be inferred from the GPS information.
The only thing you wouldn't have is driver input, which can be inferred from the GPS information.
Without going into the gory details, "GPS, and associated algorithms are not a suitable replacement, in my professional opinion." Typically, the data output from an off the shelf GPA module commonly employed is about a second. Now a gyroscope / accelerometer is another story...
But this is diverging from the story. The issue many have isn't with GPS per se, it's with the attached cellular modem calling "big brother" to report in.
