Escorted Out

[MohawkSlim]

As a recent Ohio transplant I will advise any Hoosiers going to the Buckeye to be aware of a few slight differences.

1. If you carry into a forbidden place (govt, kids, etc.) it's a crime
2. If you knowingly carry into a prohibited place it can be a crime (though it's civil trespass until it gets ugly)
3. No alcohol at all while armed

Typically, you can carry the same places in Ohio as you can Indiana. The same places are off limits too. However, Ohio is really big on those "criminal protection zone" signs and if you see one, you're not supposed to carry there. Concealed means concealed is how the law is written (which is why it's a civil trespass issue first and the managers will 9 times out of 10 ask nicely for you to leave before calling Johnny Law) but it can turn criminal quickly and at their discretion. The vast majority of interactions I've had or heard about have been very civil and informal. However, it's their right to throw you out on your butt if they see fit.

The bars/drinking establishments are typically posted no carry zones however they're not always posted and it's legal to carry there. However, Ohio's law for "using firearms while intoxicated" has no standard or BAC requirement so a sip means you've violated and could be found guilty of a misdemeanor of the 1st degree (highest in Ohio). Simply put, don't drink while armed in Ohio.

 

[cosermann]

... Concealed means concealed is how the law is written ...

Which failure to do so was the impetus for this thread.

 

[MohawkSlim]

Which failure to do so was the impetus for this thread.

Well, to be fair to the OP, Ohio is an open carry state and if he didn't see a "Criminal Protection Zone" sign on the door, he was legally within his rights to open carry.

 

[IndyDave1776]

My question: From what I am understanding of carrying in Ohio, even if not posted, I can be shown the door even if nothing is posted, and I would be obligated to leave. How does it work out when I am in the middle of eating dinner (and have not yet received the bill) when unceremoniously 'invited' to leave? Does the law cover that specifically?

 

[Cameramonkey]

My question: From what I am understanding of carrying in Ohio, even if not posted, I can be shown the door even if nothing is posted, and I would be obligated to leave. How does it work out when I am in the middle of eating dinner (and have not yet received the bill) when unceremoniously 'invited' to leave? Does the law cover that specifically?

Im sure something that specific (even touching on failure to perform a service) wont be in the statutes.

But I know what I would do. I would immediately get up and leave as asked. Immediately. I would not pass go and they would not "collect my $200". They would not collect even if they offered to give me my food to go/doggie bag. I was paying for a quiet meal at my own pace. If they chose to not give me what I paid for they get nothing. You dont get to sell me a service and back out on your end of the deal by only providing 60% of what I am paying for. If I am dining in I am paying for the food I order at the table I am assigned. Take away any of that and I consider the "contract" null and void. Just like if I order a steak and they deliver the fish. I wouldnt expect to be forced to pay for what I didnt order. (and no I dont mean I eat the fish anyway and then demand to have it removed from the bill before some troll tries to twist my words)

If you ask me to leave I leave peacefully and immediately. I dont argue, and I dont sit around waiting for you to run my card or bring me change after you ask me to leave because that is failing to do as asked after all. I may have a few (calm) choice words as I am leaving but I can walk and talk at the same time.

Now if I have the cash and I am positive my server is absolutely NOT the reason Im being asked to leave I will still leave them the appropriate tip. I'm not going to screw the server because the manager decided to be an a**.

 

[tbhausen]

$imple... No guns, no $.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Im sure something that specific (even touching on failure to perform a service) wont be in the statutes.

But I know what I would do. I would immediately get up and leave as asked. Immediately. I would not pass go and they would not "collect my $200". They would not collect even if they offered to give me my food to go/doggie bag. I was paying for a quiet meal at my own pace. If they chose to not give me what I paid for they get nothing. You dont get to sell me a service and back out on your end of the deal by only providing 60% of what I am paying for. If I am dining in I am paying for the food I order at the table I am assigned. Take away any of that and I consider the "contract" null and void. Just like if I order a steak and they deliver the fish. I wouldnt expect to be forced to pay for what I didnt order. (and no I dont mean I eat the fish anyway and then demand to have it removed from the bill before some troll tries to twist my words)

If you ask me to leave I leave peacefully and immediately. I dont argue, and I dont sit around waiting for you to run my card or bring me change after you ask me to leave because that is failing to do as asked after all. I may have a few (calm) choice words as I am leaving but I can walk and talk at the same time.

Now if I have the cash and I am positive my server is absolutely NOT the reason Im being asked to leave I will still leave them the appropriate tip. I'm not going to screw the server because the manager decided to be an a**.

I am on the same page with you but did consider that some politician may have been proactive enough to address this in the legislation, for good or for ill.

 

[tcecil88]

I am in Ohio everyday working and this is how I handle these situations.
If I am in a restaurant and I am carrying, I ask to sit at a booth and will wait for one to open up if I have time. I sit facing the front of the establishment if possible, but always with my right side in toward the booth. It is pretty much impossible for my EDC to get spotted that way. I can sit comfortably and not worry about prying eyes spotting my pistol.
That said, if the establishment is posted with an Anti 2A sign, I avoid at all cost and will not give them a dime or a minute of my time. Buffalo Wild Wings in Harrison, OH. has big signs all over the front windows forbidding my right to carry, so I exercise my right to not give them my business.
The March 2015 CCW law changes in Ohio made it a much friendlier state for 2A, but there still are a lot of places there that trample our 2A rights.