East and Gulf Coast Longshoremen Strike

[red_zr24x4]

The benefits of the union.
1. Early bird discounts at Golden Corral
2. Free scooters at walmart
3. Tons of AARP stuff in your mail box
4. Aches and pains
5. Short term memory loss
6. Social Security at age 62 to 67
7. Increased Medical visits

I'll be down to the hall to sign up later today

 

[1nderbeard]

Posted without further comment:

Our (USA) Ports are, from multiple sources, arguably the most inefficient in the world. We don't work 24/7 and we don't employ as much automation as other countries.
The strike is on the basis of stopping any more automation (we already employ less than other countries), among other things.
The union leader has said "I will cripple you." Same union leader makes $1 million annually. Has alleged ties to mafia. Makes massive donations to Democrats.
Hard to root for the unions here.

 

[bobzilla]

Posted without further comment:

Our (USA) Ports are, from multiple sources, arguably the most inefficient in the world. We don't work 24/7 and we don't employ as much automation as other countries.
The strike is on the basis of stopping any more automation (we already employ less than other countries), among other things.
The union leader has said "I will cripple you." Same union leader makes $1 million annually. Has alleged ties to mafia. Makes massive donations to Democrats.
Hard to root for the unions here.

dont worry our resident union nutswingers will be in here to call you completely unamerican and how awesome their life is compared to yours momentarily.

 

[racegunz]

You seem angry. Why, I don't know as I never said what you apparently think I said.

Higher wages are one of the factors that drive inflation. It's simply a fact. What we do with that knowledge, if anything, is a whole other discussion.....but it's a fact.

Not angry, and I understand inflation, I just disagree with many on here that working class Americans and the longshoremen in particular are “greedy” because they want a good living in exchange for their time and labor. That’s all

 

[racegunz]

Posted without further comment:

Our (USA) Ports are, from multiple sources, arguably the most inefficient in the world. We don't work 24/7 and we don't employ as much automation as other countries.
The strike is on the basis of stopping any more automation (we already employ less than other countries), among other things.
The union leader has said "I will cripple you." Same union leader makes $1 million annually. Has alleged ties to mafia. Makes massive donations to Democrats.
Hard to root for the unions here.

Then don’t root for the “Union” root for the workers!

 

[Creedmoor]

Truck drivers do quite a bit better than avg associates. Mgrs can make more depending on the store and their abilities. I've had opportunity at union trucking jobs but just can't bring myself to screw the rest of society by driving up the cost of goods and services to benefit myself. Sounds too much like government fiscal policy.

I'm quite aware of what all hourly Walmart associates are and can be paid. And if I don't know I can walk into the living room and ask her. She's friends will all of the people leads in IN and OH.

Screwing the rest of society lol
Now that's funny.
The Jealous Haters here are gonna hate.

 

[Creedmoor]

Go sign up as a greeter and find out.

IBTL...

 

[Creedmoor]

Posted without further comment:

Our (USA) Ports are, from multiple sources, arguably the most inefficient in the world. We don't work 24/7 and we don't employ as much automation as other countries.
The strike is on the basis of stopping any more automation (we already employ less than other countries), among other things.
The union leader has said "I will cripple you." Same union leader makes $1 million annually. Has alleged ties to mafia. Makes massive donations to Democrats.
Hard to root for the unions here.

What corporation employs you sir?

 

[HoughMade]

Not angry, and I understand inflation, I just disagree with many on here that working class Americans and the longshoremen in particular are “greedy” because they want a good living in exchange for their time and labor. That’s all

I am fine with negotiated wages and strikes are part of the dance.

What I am not going to do is see anyone as a "good guy" or a "bad guy", which is increasingly difficult with some of the rhetoric, some would call propaganda, floating around.

 

[firecadet613]

Not angry, and I understand inflation, I just disagree with many on here that working class Americans and the longshoremen in particular are “greedy” because they want a good living in exchange for their time and labor. That’s all

Well since they are offering to "cripple" the economy if they don't get what they want, F em...

Bring on the automation!

 

[firecadet613]

What corporation employs you sir?

Shocking as it may be to you, but many on INGO have found successful employment and do well for themselves without giving the union a cut...

They are able to negotiate for themselves vs having a union "mob" boss do the dirty work for them...

 

[printcraft]

Niece has a prom dress "stuck at port" right now, she won't be getting it.
Sucks to be her I guess. First world problems and all of that.
Another union success story.

 

[STAGE 2]

Not angry, and I understand inflation, I just disagree with many on here that working class Americans and the longshoremen in particular are “greedy” because they want a good living in exchange for their time and labor. That’s all

If the workers are not greedy because they want more money for themselves, then would you concede that the corporation is not greedy for wanting to making expenses as small as possible.

 

[1nderbeard]

Then don’t root for the “Union” root for the workers!

Where does the union start, and the worker end?

 

[Super Bee]

So now Ron is sending in the Florida National Guard.

 

[Creedmoor]

If the workers are not greedy because they want more money for themselves, then would you concede that the corporation is not greedy for wanting to making expenses as small as possible.

That's why it's called negotiations.

 

[foszoe]

That's why it's called negotiations.

So it's kinda like shopping around for the cheapest price on my insurance or a new beretta?

 

[bobzilla]

Here's the actual contract they had:
https://ilaunion.org/wp-content/uploads/MasterContract0-2021-12.pdf
year 1 $20/hr, year 3 $24.75/hr, year 4 $31.88/hr and year 6 $39/hr
Any hour worked before 8am or after 5pm are automatically 1.25 (48.75/hr), all saturdays/sundays 1.5 (58.50/hr) and any hour worked past 8 in a day at 58.50, and if past 5pm an additional .25 ($69/hr).
20/ hour = 41,600
24.75 = 51480
31.88 = 66,310
39 = 81,120
Work nights? 48.75 = 101,400

after their demands:
35.40 = 73,632
43.81 = 91,124.80
56.43 = 117,374
69.03 = 143.582
nights: 86.29 = 179,483

 

[STAGE 2]

That's why it's called negotiations.

Not if you’re being honest it’s not. I have been involved of thousands of negotiations as a part of my profession and in the real world in a real negotiation all parties have the freedom to leave the table and go elsewhere as an option.

 

[firecadet613]

Not if you’re being honest it’s not. I have been involved of thousands of negotiations as a part of my profession and in the real world in a real negotiation all parties have the freedom to leave the table and go elsewhere as an option.

You mean most folks can't hold an economy hostage during their negotiations?