DUI Checkpoint advice.........Possibility for general police stops in Indiana?

[actaeon277]

I've met actaeon, the cop might ask him how to fix electronic gizmo in his police car or something, but I think that is called barking up the wrong tree.

Wait, I'm hard headed and stubborn?

Ok.
I am.

 

[VUPDblue]

So, remind me why there is a need for DUI checkpoints?

When I said that impairment is easy to detect, I mean that during personal contact it is easy. You get a lot of personal contact at checkpoints.

 

[chipbennett]

When I said that impairment is easy to detect, I mean that during personal contact it is easy. You get a lot of personal contact at checkpoints.

Ah, thank you. That does make more sense.

 

[Denny347]

So, remind me why there is a need for DUI checkpoints?

There isn't outside of PR. DUI taskforces are funded with federal grant money to pay the OT since they are operated outside of regular duties. Part of the deal with accepting the money is the department will set up X number of checkpoints that month or fiscal year. Roaming will ALWAYS grab more drunks but there is nothing to show the media/public since it looks like regular police doing police work. Checkpoints are put in the paper/radio/billboards (as required by the courts), there are huge signs, there is ONE location that the media can film officers doing DUI work. Dog and pony show. We were forced to work them if we wanted the OT from roaming DUI. They were easy because most of us went home without a single DUI, as opposed to 1 or 2 we each would get per shift. We used to run a checkpoint New Years Eve just outside Broad Ripple. We got nothing but taxi's....waste. I thought it was a good sign that people were being responsible.

 

[AA&E]

I personally think that such checkpoints are ridiculous and unconstitutional, but I'm also not likely to be a jerk about it. Depending on my mood, though, a question like "what are you doing out at this hour?" might just push the wrong buttons. My answer might be "being stopped from going about my lawful actions by a detention that lacks even a modicum of reasonable, articulable suspicion. Am I free to go?"

Also: would turning on the dome light prevent the need for use of the million foot-candle torches in the face?

You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.

Well said.

 

[AA&E]

Maybe they can make it up. But harder to do with dashcams.

That would assume their is some level of accountability and governance regarding the reasons police pull people over. Ever heard of an officer being disciplined for pulling someone over for a shady reason? Neither have I.

 

[AA&E]

I had had a buddy get a PI for walking home drunk (no, not doing anything destructive, just walking down the sidewalk home at 3am with a .1bac).

Also had another friend get a PI while getting into a cab to go home (again, not doing anything destructive). He was entering the cab just outside the bar property. Lafayette cops are trash.

There's really no winning.

Jasper (city) Police are cut from the same fabric. During a local street festival a local man I know was at the Headquarters Bar on south main street. When it was time for him to go home, he called his wife and asked her to come get him because he didn't want to drink and drive. She told him she'd be there in 15 minutes, so after 10 minutes he went outside and leaned against the wall next to the front door waiting for her to arrive. She showed up in time to see him getting thrown into the back of a police car for public intoxication.

 

[Mark-DuCo]

Jasper (city) Police are cut from the same fabric. During a local street festival a local man I know was at the Headquarters Bar on south main street. When it was time for him to go home, he called his wife and asked her to come get him because he didn't want to drink and drive. She told him she'd be there in 15 minutes, so after 10 minutes he went outside and leaned against the wall next to the front door waiting for her to arrive. She showed up in time to see him getting thrown into the back of a police car for public intoxication.

Yeah, I have heard way to many stories like this about the Jasper City PD to ever attend then slobberfest aka Strassenfest.

 

[Ruffnek]

If your auto folding mirror button is why mine is, I'd suggest during a traffic stop, you not "accidentally" activate it.

Mine are right by the window switch. You hold the button for a second and the mirror glass rotates downward, followed by the mirror housing folding inward towards the door.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not sure that would turn out well.

Probably not, since a lying guy in uniform, would have no issue lying again.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So, remind me why there is a need for DUI checkpoints?

You'd be better off asking why officers work them. It is well known that I refuse to work them due to personal belief in the constitutionality of them. It is actually one of a small handful major sticking points I have concerning my profession.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So, remind me why there is a need for DUI checkpoints?

Because we need to place permanent check points in the neighborhoods of Indiana Supreme Court Justices.

They will be unconstitutional by nightfall.

 

[actaeon277]

Because we need to place permanent check points in the neighborhoods of Indiana Supreme Court Justices.

They will be unconstitutional by nightfall.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Silly marketing gimmick.


Learn the traffic code, obey the traffic code (remember, it's not about you, we all chipped in), keep your vehicle clean inside and outside, don't dress like the criminal class, stop when the cops tell you to, and, above all, be quiet.

Good advice, but a couple questions.
what do you mean by Silly marketing gimmick?
does a messy vehicle interior or the way you dress give them p.c. or r.a.s?

care to answer my second question?
also, I still don't understand your point about "marketing gimmick", is somebody selling something?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Learn the traffic code, obey the traffic code (remember, it's not about you, we all chipped in), keep your vehicle clean inside and outside, don't dress like the criminal class, stop when the cops tell you to, and, above all, be quiet.

So in other words, be naked. This thinking irks me. I just recently had an unpleasant experience with a business, for what I assumed was dressing "like the criminal class."

Kut (is still unsure what he going to do about it, but probably nothing)

 

[Whosyer]

So in other words, be naked. This thinking irks me. I just recently had an unpleasant experience with a business, for what I assumed was dressing "like the criminal class."

Kut (is still unsure what he going to do about it, but probably nothing)

Were you dressed like a banker, or a lawyer?

 

[AA&E]

Yeah, I have heard way to many stories like this about the Jasper City PD to ever attend then slobberfest aka Strassenfest.

That would be in your best interest. They have a beer garden to get you intoxicated and police everywhere to bust you while walking to your car/home. It's all about generating revenue.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So in other words, be naked. This thinking irks me. I just recently had an unpleasant experience with a business, for what I assumed was dressing "like the criminal class."

Hang out in 29D05 Monday morning. See how they are dressed? If you want to be invisible, don't dress like that.

People make judgments based on how one looks. If your mom did not tell you that, I just did.

 

[Paul30]

Because we need to place permanent check points in the neighborhoods of Indiana Supreme Court Justices.

They will be unconstitutional by nightfall.

That is exactly right. Those who make the laws usually don't have to deal with them. I asked a game warden at a boat show once about passengers drinking and boating in Oklahoma. They smiled and said far too many legislators like to have a beer on the boat, that's why they did not consider the lower alcohol beer a problem. In their current boating laws it still says "If you drink while boating, designate a non-drinking boat operator just as you would designate a non-drinking driver."

I see Indiana has a similar law.
"Indiana does not have an open container law for boating — both the driver and passengers aged 21 and over are permitted to consume alcohol. However, Browne said, the legal limit is .08, and the law and penalties are identical to motor vehicle laws."

I like that idea, DUI checkpoints leaving and arriving in every Indiana Supreme Court Justices street. It would stop.

 

[traderdan]

So, remind me why there is a need for DUI checkpoints?

Conditioning sir.....you are being taught to accept violations of your right to travel freely.