Dr. Phil The Zimmerman Episode Self Defense Poll

[357 Terms]

bobzilla? I am not sure why you are attributing that quote to me???

I will ask again...why did he leave his vehicle???

He was in his right to protect himself, his actions were just very stupid.

 

[halfmileharry]

Now that the Peterson trial is over the attention will be shifting back to Zimmerman until a more news worthy story comes to the front.
Listening to the MSM is like listening to the EX explain why your divorce is your fault. What ever makes them look the best to fit their motives.

 

[357 Terms]

No, that is NOT correct!
The dispatcher said "we don't need you to do that"! After asking if Z was following M and Z responding "yes"!
That is NO WHERE close to an order to stop!

So you post that? Zimmerman admits to following Martin!

Where was it ever shown that he DID initiate the confrontation?

And then in the very next post you ask that!?

Many here have the same intellect as Zimmerman

 

[Birds Away]

I stated that he made unwise decisions. Regardless of what you believe happened, I stand by that.

 

[youngda9]

I stated that he made unwise decisions. Regardless of what you believe happened, I stand by that.

Still haven't heard of anything Zimmerman did to justifiably provoke deadly force being used against him.

Poor decision, perhaps.

Turns ouy Treyvon made the poorest decision when he decided to try to kill an armed man.

 

[357 Terms]

Still haven't heard of anything Zimmerman did to justifiably provoke deadly force being used against him.

I have not heard anyone say that Martin made a good choice either.

Zimmerman should never have left his vehicle, this never would have happened had he used better judgement.

 

[Roadie]

So you post that? Zimmerman admits to following Martin!



And then in the very next post you ask that!?

Many here have the same intellect as Zimmerman

You are missing the Timeline here.. He followed Martin, the dispatcher told him he didnt need to do that(not ORDERED him not to BTW), then Z discussed with the Dispatcher where to meet the Police, THEN after he got off the phone with the Police, Martin confronted Z..

Reading the actual transcripts, rather than the Media's TAKE(editing) on the transcripts, might help..

 

[indykid]

As much as I have no idea as to what really happened, he will be convicted to avert the riots that would follow lead by Jesse and Al, and maybe even Trayvon's father who didn't have him but if he did, would look like him.

 

[357 Terms]

He followed Martin...stupid.

 

[jbombelli]

Which decisions were not wise?

Talking to the cops before he had an attorney present.

 

[Roadie]

He followed Martin...stupid.

..and then turned away, was on his way to meet police, THEN Martin attacked him.

 

[Kutnupe14]

George will most likely be convicted.

I hate it but probably true.

Doubtful, but like Martin, his dumb decisions have ruined his life. Martin just paid the higher price due to him being dumb enough to be a black male teen walking at night with a hoodie to his father's home.

 

[Glock19]

Isnt there another thread for arguments on how wrong/right he was?

 

[Jaredjosh]

I did not vote. How could I without ALL the facts?

 

[youngda9]

Zimmerman should never have left his vehicle, this never would have happened had he used better judgement.

Agreed.

But leaving his vehicle, following someone(doubtful if he was at the time of attack), or even verbally confronting someone(no evidence that he did) does not WARRANT DEADLY FORCE BEING USED AGAINST HIM.

 

[Birds Away]

Agreed.

But leaving his vehicle, following someone(doubtful if he was at the time of attack), or even verbally confronting someone(no evidence that he did) does not WARRANT DEADLY FORCE BEING USED AGAINST HIM.

I don't disagree. I just said he could have used better judgement. I am not condemning him as a murderer.

 

[youngda9]

I don't disagree. I just said he could have used better judgement. I am not condemning him as a murderer.

Your post implied to me that "he got what he deserved" was your attitude. I apologize if I mis-read your post.

 

[Birds Away]

I apologize if it was misleading. I just said he made one or more unwise decisions. No one deserves to have their head bashed against the concrete. Well, no one that comes readily to mind.

 

[griffin]

No sane person can pretend to know enough to convict or exonerate based on the "evidence" that has been released by "anonymous" sources

You really don't know anything about this case, do you?

The evidence was released by the Florida prosecutor's office pursuant to Florida law, not anonymous sources.

 

[jtdet01]

1) Do you believe George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin in self-defense?
No, this was not self-defense. Given Zimmerman's public statements, this is not self-defense.

Zimmerman pursued Martin, provoking a response, and caused the confrontation. Zimmerman concludes by shooting Martin in the chest twice.

Some here have stated that Martin was bashing Zimmerman's head to the concrete. IF we believe Zimmerman's account,
- Zimmerman could not handle the confrontation that he pursued
- Zimmerman started getting beat up by Martin.
- Zimmerman was getting his head bashed to the concrete

IF we believe Zimmerman's account, Zimmerman has reason to fight back, but that is not reason enough to believe he was in fear for his life, it is not reason enough to use lethal force, and it is not reason to shoot Martin in the chest, twice.

2) George is currently charged with second-degree murder. Do you believe he should be convicted?
Yes. Zimmerman saw Martin, reporting Martin as a potential criminal, decided to be judge, jury, executioner of Martin. Zimmerman murdered Martin.

This was not about "the right to bear arms", or "stand your ground" or "castle doctrine" or "self defense".

Second amendment supporters and gun rights activists should not feel the need to run to support Zimmerman.