Downright pleasant sobriety checkpoint

[lon]

Usefulness isn't really the issue here.

We could start a new policy of random searches of people's homes. Your name comes up, you get a visit at 3 am and the police search all through your house, look at your financial records, scan through your computer, take blood samples and hair samples, etc.

I'm sure such a policy would result in catching all kinds of criminals who would not otherwise be caught. By that standard, it would be a very "useful" policy.

I'd still oppose it, though, because I do not want to live in a society where the authorities can randomly search your home. If I have to tolerate a bit higher crime rate to live in a free society, so be it.

Good post. Unlike many, it sounds like you get it

 

[lon]

The encounter the OP had at the check point reminds me of the relashonship with my pet. He licks my boots and I pat him on the head and tell him he's a good dog.

Brevity is the soul of wit. -Shakespeare's Hamlet, 1602

 

[bglaze]

An alternate route to avoid the checkpoint is required by the courts and you cannot be stopped for avoiding the checkpoint...it is not a crime. Just make sure you make a legal turn. And NO, you cannot be arrested for failure to ID if you have not committed an infraction or ordinance violation. Being directed into a checkpoint does not satisfy that aspect of the law. Asking for ID and registration is not to find out who they are, I do not run their info. It is a divided attention test that a person under the influence rarely passes. They hand them to me and they get handed right back. I've worked checkpoints for many years and I am quite familiar with them and their legalities. If they are operated in a very specific manner they are legal according to the courts. However, someday that might change. You never know.

Thanks so much for chiming in! Great information!

 

[RA8]

Your gaydar is turned up too high

I see a pattern.

 

[RA8]

This is relevant.

YouTube - Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint

 

[XDinmyXJ]

YouTube - Abusive Border Patrol Agents w/ Nun Chucks at NM Checkpoint

hmmm.....set up a camera in your car and intentionally go through a check point. That wasn't planned at all!

 

[RA8]

hmmm.....set up a camera in your car and intentionally go through a check point. That wasn't planned at all!

Actually, he is a priest, and keeps a camera on him at all times. he does the same thing every time, watch his other videos, one time, hes gets beaten.

 

[XDinmyXJ]

Actually, he is a priest, and keeps a camera on him at all times. he does the same thing every time, watch his other videos, one time, hes gets beaten.

Well, Sounds to me like he was asking for it! I just don't understand why he insists on being like that. Intentionally pushing buttons until it happens doesn't sound like the right way to go about things to me. I understand he doesn't want to have to stop for a BS checkpoint but I don't see whats so hard about giving him your id then going on your way. Now if the agents said something like we think you are a illegal alien I could see getting mad about it but all they asked for was an ID.

 

[451_Detonics]

That was a perk back when I was driving my hearse daily...I got waved straight through every sobriety checkpoint I ran across.

 

[LEaSH]

Were you ever in the cannonball run with your hearse?
That would be sweet to lighten one up and tune the big block for some sustained high power runs.
But you'd need to have a funny fat guy with a hat to ride along as the codriver.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Well, Sounds to me like he was asking for it! I just don't understand why he insists on being like that. Intentionally pushing buttons until it happens doesn't sound like the right way to go about things to me. I understand he doesn't want to have to stop for a BS checkpoint but I don't see whats so hard about giving him your id then going on your way. Now if the agents said something like we think you are a illegal alien I could see getting mad about it but all they asked for was an ID.

It sounds like he was asking for it, he told the LEO he couldn't search his car/house/etc. What is the difference? What's so hard about allowing a search of anything they want? Would you allow a search of your home but only get upset if the agents said they thought you were a drug dealer?

 

[XDinmyXJ]

It sounds like he was asking for it, he told the LEO he couldn't search his car/house/etc. What is the difference? What's so hard about allowing a search of anything they want? Would you allow a search of your home but only get upset if the agents said they thought you were a drug dealer?

No, he was a complete douche about the whole thing. I am not going to submit to a search of anything without a lawyer present. I am not gonna let it get to a point where they are going to break my window and taze me. He could have avoided the whole thing by giving the his ID when he arrived at the checkpoint. What I am saying is that no matter where you are, you have to present your ID at a checkpoint. Its the law. You can't change that fact.

 

[CountryBoy19]

WHY on earth would they take down the sobriety checkpoint before everyone leaves the bars?

Because they don't really want to catch drunk drivers, they're just testing the waters to see how much they can inconvenience innocent people before they get upset about it.

 

[XDinmyXJ]

Because they don't really want to catch drunk drivers, they're just testing the waters to see how much they can inconvenience innocent people before they get upset about it.

Hahahaha! Rep'd!

 

[Timjoebillybob]

No, he was a complete douche about the whole thing. I am not going to submit to a search of anything without a lawyer present. I am not gonna let it get to a point where they are going to break my window and taze me. He could have avoided the whole thing by giving the his ID when he arrived at the checkpoint. What I am saying is that no matter where you are, you have to present your ID at a checkpoint. Its the law. You can't change that fact.

Whether he was a douche or not doesn't matter. Isn't showing ID a search? And can you cite the law that states you have to present your ID at a checkpoint? Just saying it's the law doesn't make it a fact. In IN it's not the law, you only have to ID yourself if you are stopped for an infraction/ordinance violation as has been stated in this thread with links to the IN code for it.

 

[Tireburner Turner]

did this particular checkpoint happen to be in Bloomington this past weekend during Little 500? I drove through downtown and it was nuts. I know there were a couple checkpoints set up friday night. Im glad your situation went well!

 

[RA8]

did this particular checkpoint happen to be in Bloomington this past weekend during Little 500? I drove through downtown and it was nuts. I know there were a couple checkpoints set up friday night. Im glad your situation went well!

Purdue grand prix

 

[ocsdor]

Blind and polite obedience. That is what they are looking for, so they would definitely not hold you any longer than necessary. You are the type of citizen they are looking to groom us all into.

 

[ocsdor]

The encounter the OP had at the check point reminds me of the relashonship with my pet. He licks my boots and I pat him on the head and tell him he's a good dog.

This one too

 

[Prometheus]

What I am saying is that no matter where you are, you have to present your ID at a checkpoint. Its the law. You can't change that fact.

Not true. Not at all. Read the thread, posts from myself and Indiana LEO's lay out the legality of checkpoints and what (if anything) is expected of you.

I can't stand posts like this. Completely false and had you actually read the thread, the laws/codes cited and consensus including from LEOs you'd have saved yourself this embarresment.