Disappointed at the Greenfield gun show today

[pops66goat]

I saw a shot gun I was looking for for a while...I haggled the price down with the guy, did the paperwork and was approved to buy, and the price we negotiated was all I had on me, he wanted the sales tax. I said that's all I have on me, we were about $10 apart and he wouldn't take it. That's a bunch of bull****!!

 

[LPMan59]

Did you say $x out the door?

 

[malern28us]

I saw a shot gun I was looking for for a while...I haggled the price down with the guy, did the paperwork and was approved to buy, and the price we negotiated was all I had on me, he wanted the sales tax. I said that's all I have on me, we were about $10 apart and he wouldn't take it. That's a bunch of bull****!!

It may suck but it is a tactic I have seen some use to get the price even lower. If you had to fill out paperwork, the guy probably was required to collect tax.

 

[pops66goat]

Yes I had the cash in hand, $330 and we negotiated to $325 and did the paperwork and the out the door price was like $342 or something and he wouldn't come down and take my offer out the door...oh well guess that's why its a "show"

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Why would you think that a dealer would not obey the law and collect the sales tax?

Had he done it before (not collected the required sales tax)???

 

[malern28us]

Yes I had the cash in hand, $330 and we negotiated to $325 and did the paperwork and the out the door price was like $342 or something and he wouldn't come down and take my offer out the door...oh well guess that's why its a "show"

No offense but if it was something I already negotited a price on, it would make me a POS if I didnt follow through and go to an ATM and get another $20.

 

[gregkl]

Why would you think that a dealer would not obey the law and collect the sales tax?

Had he done it before (not collected the required sales tax)???

 

[gregkl]

I don't think you have to specifically collect the tax from the buyer as a separate line item. The seller could have taken the tax out of the sale. Sellers at gun shows do it all the time. Sell at negotiated and/or listed prices, add up the receipts at the end of the show, and carve out the governments share. So he would have grossed less than the $325 by the time he took the tax out.

Sounds like a case of not being clear on the final price. As a buyer, one should make it clear when negotiating if it is a sub-total or an "out the door" price.

 

[pops66goat]

It was a used gun, I was only $10 less than his asking price on the tag!

 

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[pops66goat]

I'm not saying i'm disappointed at him collecting sales tax, he's running a business, it's the law...I'm disappointed he wouldn't work with me on the price a little so after tax the price was where I could buy it, since we were that close.

 

[malern28us]

It was a used gun, I was only $10 less than his asking price on the tag!

You have to do what is right for you. I couldn't/wouldn't have done that. Your word is your word.

 

[youngda9]

There is a lesson to be learned here...actually 2.

1: Carry more cash to the gun shows.

2: When negotiating, make sure both sides are discussing the same thing...either OTD pricing, or price+tax.

Need to have self control with #1...that darn cash can burn a hole in your pocket if you're not careful.

Sorry this didn't work out for you, I wouldn't be too happy about that myslf.

 

[pops66goat]

I'm not...he's going to be at 1500 so I will have enough then

 

[churchmouse]

Was not there so can not say what exactly transpired but the price agreed on has to be OTD or out the door. If that was not part of the negotiation then he was in the right. If you agreed on a $10 drop from sticker only then there is still tax to be collected. This is a very important factor when "Haggling" over prices. Always....always finish with "Is this out the door"???? That clarify's your position and his price.

 

[gregkl]

It was a used gun, I was only $10 less than his asking price on the tag!

If it's any consolation, I would have let you have the gun. The paperwork and having to haul it back home if I didn't sell it is worth $10 to me.

 

[KoopaKGB]

There is a lesson to be learned here...actually 2.

1: Carry more cash to the gun shows.

2: When negotiating, make sure both sides are discussing the same thing...either OTD pricing, or price+tax.

Need to have self control with #1...that darn cash can burn a hole in your pocket if you're not careful.

Sorry this didn't work out for you, I wouldn't be too happy about that myslf.

Thats it right there. You always have to have plenty of cash for unexpected "finds" that you had not anticipated buying. And out the door price is good to be clear about when buying any negotiable item. Its bad that it came down to a $10 haggle neither party was willing to fix.

 

[malern28us]

I wouldnt have. The $10 might have gone towards his set up fees. I wouldnt sell it to you the next time either. I would just politely say "its not for sale" the next time I saw you.

 

[rugertoter]

Hmmm...Don't know what side to take on this one.

 

[42769vette]

i have people get mad at my booth all the time that i collect tax. thats the diffrence between having a actual business and just being joe blow off of the street.

in all fairness i make 100% sure my customers know they will pay tax, but i also make it easier by putting a price on my stuff that is not up for negotiation. i put the minimum penny im willing to part with my product for and the customer has to either take it or leave it.

people dont seem to get to upset when walmart collects tax, i dont see why they expect less from a gun related business, but they do