DeSantis 2024?

[jamil]

Here’s som Trumpian style context:



Wife swapping.

 

[Route 45]

Here’s som Trumpian style context:

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Wife swapping.

That's the worst deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.

 

[jamil]

That's the worst deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever.

Which shows how poor Trump’s judgement is.

See how this game works?

 

[oze]

Club for Growth Distances Itself Further From Trump

WASHINGTON — The Club for Growth, a conservative anti-tax group that spent nearly $150 million in the past two election cycles, has invited a half-dozen potential Republican presidential candidates to its annual donor retreat next month — but not Donald Trump. In a meeting with reporters Monday...

news.yahoo.com

DeSantis headlines, Trump not invited

Seems like yet another reason to favor the Orange Man to me

If you scroll down after reading that article, there is another one that talks about how Americans for Prosperity is saying the same things about distancing themselves from Trump.

 

[Ingomike]

How dare DeSantis be more popular! I kinda think Trump’s probably realizes that no one but Trumpers are buying it. He’s trying to send a message about how a contest with hum will go, to scare DeSantis off.

Not what polls are showing…

 

[Ingomike]

If you scroll down after reading that article, there is another one that talks about how Americans for Prosperity is saying the same things about distancing themselves from Trump.

Why is it surprising that RINO’s, who do not want to Make America Great Again, that Trump exposed with his MAGA agenda, are against MAGA?

Seems very logical to me and unremarkable other than I regret the years such groups fooled me into believing they were for America…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

So, would you like your president to do what's good for the country or just what's good for his personal politics

Do you think allowing PR to be a state is good for the country? I do not

So your first assertion was that his support for the bill as a Congressman was against the wishes of his constituents and his state, pure crass political opportunism.

Once it's pointed out that 1.1 M Puerto Ricans reside in FL, the a sizable portion in the Orlando area (and his district), now it's just "personal" politics. And he should have ignored their wishes as a Congressman and a Governor in order to run for President in the future? THAT would be the crass political opportunism you first spoke of... and IMO a political loser in FL for sure.

Sounds like criticize first and figure out a reason afterwards.

Is it possible that a sizable group of PR Floridians switched to voting R in 2022? Is that good for the country? Is it even possible to ever regain the WH if Florida went blue?

And your point? That is pretty much just freedom to travel to and from or settle in the 50 states. That is a far cry from statehood

Yup, and while there are 3.4M Puerto Ricans in PR, there are 5.6M settled in the 50 states. Allowing PR statehood determination has been a Republican party plank for decades... do you think Trump "**** no" to PR statehood garners any of those votes?

 

[jamil]

Not what polls are showing…

Depends on the poll.

DeSantis leads Trump in head-to-head match-up: poll

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) holds a 9-point lead over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up in the 2024 Republican primary, according to a new poll. DeSantis, who is seen…

thehill.com

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-02-07/strong-base-offers-trump-a-lifeline-in-a-crowded-gop-field-poll

Trump leads GOP 2024 primary field narrowly in poll of conservatives

But in a head-to-head matchup between Trump and DeSantis, DeSantis has more support, according to a new poll by the conservative group Club for Growth Action.

www.cbsnews.com

those are recent polls.

 

[jamil]

Why is it surprising that RINO’s, who do not want to Make America Great Again, that Trump exposed with his MAGA agenda, are against MAGA?

Seems very logical to me and unremarkable other than I regret the years such groups fooled me into believing they were for America…

Or. Is it surprising that many .orgs think Trump is toxic? Favorable policies, mostly, but ****ty person.

 

[jamil]

Sounds like criticize first and figure out a reason afterwards.

Sounds a lot like the Left's strategy anyway. Impeach first and figure out why later.

 

[Ingomike]

Or. Is it surprising that many .orgs think Trump is toxic? Favorable policies, mostly, but ****ty person.

I this an irrelevant question since it is all about following the money. Do you really think if Trump was CFGF (club for growth first) they would have any qualms? Heck they would provide him the strippers to **** when his wife was busy…

 

[bgcatty]

DeSantis will surely make the presidential race interesting. Time to move on from Biden for sure especially after the BS he proffered at the State of the Union address last night. Ouch!

 

[BugI02]

Or. Is it surprising that many .orgs think Trump is toxic? Favorable policies, mostly, but ****ty person.

Club for Growth fought hard against the Trump candidacy in the run up to 2016, likely because they are not fans of America First

They then cozied up to him when he had real power, and that is a knock on Trump in my book for not keeping them at arms length. Having said that, I now expect to be taken to task because had Trump done so he would not be cultivating the votes of people who hated him. I know this because the gestalt is that Trump is always wrong

If Trump wins, I fully expect that the Club for Oligarchs Growth and Americans for billionaires Prosperity (another Libertarian group and thus no friends of America First) will be prominent in the receiving line. Funny how so few billionaires are in favor of strong borders, isn't it

 

[DragonGunner]

Trump post picture calling DeSantis names. Picture of 24 year old teacher DeSantis and 3 teenage girls drinking beer at a party. Conservative twins claim picture was after high school the following year at a party. Picture shows one girl holding a beer but not DeSantis. So…..? Labeling DeSantis as a groomer now? Who has done a lot in stopping much of this in FL. Is this going to backfire on Trump? Will the 3 girls in picture posing with him make comments about this. Trump has his own history but does this? I think Trump going to lose on this one, looks very childish.

 

[DadSmith]

FL Legislature Aims to Officially Eliminate Disney's Self-Governing Status

The Florida legislature is slated to officially eliminate Disney's self-governing status in the current Special Session.

www.breitbart.com

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Club for Growth fought hard against the Trump candidacy in the run up to 2016, likely because they are not fans of America First

They then cozied up to him when he had real power, and that is a knock on Trump in my book for not keeping them at arms length. Having said that, I now expect to be taken to task because had Trump done so he would not be cultivating the votes of people who hated him. I know this because the gestalt is that Trump is always wrong

If Trump wins, I fully expect that the Club for Oligarchs Growth and Americans for billionaires Prosperity (another Libertarian group and thus no friends of America First) will be prominent in the receiving line. Funny how so few billionaires are in favor of strong borders, isn't it

CFG was not alone in thinking that Trump was the "worst" possible candidate in the 2016 primaries and the easiest for Hillary to beat. MSM and the entire liberal Hollywood left gave him every possible opportunity to upset the GOP Primary "front runners"... not because they wanted a Trump presidency, or even entertained such an idea, but because they saw that as unpossible... making Hillary's crowning a foregone conclusion.

Many... many of us voted in 2016 resigned to the "fact" that Hillary would de facto ascend...

Like the purported incestuous pictures of Trump with Ivanka, context is important. But dayam, Trump must feel desperate if he feels like this is necessary before Desantis even announces.

Yup, not a "good look"... rather pathetic actually.

A 24-year old single man at a party with THREE college-aged, 19-20 year old girls hanging on him. This is supposed to hurt his chances???

Meanwhile....

DeSantis seeks wins on guns, abortion before facing Trump in 2024

When a newly elected Florida legislator endorsed a bill allowing residents to carry a concealed firearm without a permit, he was both demonstrating his fealty to Ron DeSantis and helping to burnish the governor's conservative credentials for a possible White House run in 2024.

www.reuters.com

 

[Ingomike]

CFG was not alone in thinking that Trump was the "worst" possible candidate in the 2016 primaries and the easiest for Hillary to beat. MSM and the entire liberal Hollywood left gave him every possible opportunity to upset the GOP Primary "front runners"... not because they wanted a Trump presidency, or even entertained such an idea, but because they saw that as unpossible... making Hillary's crowning a foregone conclusion.

Most of this is spot on, the media gave him millions in exposure, mostly exposure designed to humiliate republicans. For instance while trying to make Trump a politically incorrect racist they allowed his message of securing the border to get out and build momentum that still runs in conservatives today.

I would not say they gave the win over others in the primary because at the end of the day a clear majority of republicans wanted a fighter who said bad thins unapologetically…

 

[jamil]

Most of this is spot on, the media gave him millions in exposure, mostly exposure designed to humiliate republicans. For instance while trying to make Trump a politically incorrect racist they allowed his message of securing the border to get out and build momentum that still runs in conservatives today.

I would not say they gave the win over others in the primary because at the end of the day a clear majority of republicans wanted a fighter who said bad thins unapologetically…

Not true. You can’t say a clear majority. The winner of a primary doesn’t imply a majority. If primary elections were held on the same day, the choice for everyone would be the entire list of candidates. Only then could you say that. And even then it’s unlikely a candidate will have majority in a crowded field because the available votes are distributed across the field of candidates.

By the time Indiana’s primary had rolled around, there were only two choices left for GOP. Hoosiers’ votes were distributed across just the two candidates. In our staggered primary process, earlier states successively eliminate the choices for remaining state primaries. It’s not a popularity contest.

Primaries are a last man standing kind of election process. So a candidate who knows how to play the game, not necessarily the best or most popular candidate, especially if the media really wants that candidate, will have a huge advantage over other candidates.

 

[Ingomike]

I would not say they gave the win over others in the primary because at the end of the day a clear majority of republicans wanted a fighter who said bad thins unapologetically…

Not true. You can’t say a clear majority. The winner of a primary doesn’t imply a majority. If primary elections were held on the same day, the choice for everyone would be the entire list of candidates. Only then could you say that. And even then it’s unlikely a candidate will have majority in a crowded field because the available votes are distributed across the field of candidates.

By the time Indiana’s primary had rolled around, there were only two choices left for GOP. Hoosiers’ votes were distributed across just the two candidates. In our staggered primary process, earlier states successively eliminate the choices for remaining state primaries. It’s not a popularity contest.

Primaries are a last man standing kind of election process. So a candidate who knows how to play the game, not necessarily the best or most popular candidate, especially if the media really wants that candidate, will have a huge advantage over other candidates.

I did not reference the primary specificly in that comment. Pointing out how the media helped get the message out Trump wanted to get out. I do believe if the Indiana primary had been contested Trump still would have won…

 

[jamil]

I did not reference the primary specificly in that comment. Pointing out how the media helped get the message out Trump wanted to get out. I do believe if the Indiana primary had been contested Trump still would have won…

Yes, you DID reference the primary specifically. I do think the media pushing Trump because they wanted the weaker candidate to win, did help Trump gain popularity, because that was the goal. And it worked. Trump won, not by convincing a majority of Republicans that he was the best nominee. He won because the field shrank successively as the Primary season progressed. And at the end of which, Trump got the nomination, and had to convince skeptics to give him a go in the general. That's not what majority support looks like when ~half your voters have to hold their noses.

And if those other candidates were in the race in all states on one day, I do think it's likely Trump would still have won. Not by anything close to a majority. Trump has a fiercely loyal and sizeable following. So Trump would get his votes, and the not-trump vote would be divy'd up amongst the rest. So even if the majority of voters would vote against Trump, the person they didn't want would still win.