Daley rips Supreme Court on handgun ban stance

[Mgderf]

Chicago politician's morning prayer,


"..give us this day, our Daley bread.."

 

[Bill of Rights]

Chicago citizens' morning prayer,


"..give us this day, our Daley, dead.."

 

[Leadeye]

I'll wait and see what is actually done rather than said. The machine gets it's way and lawyers these days can parse legal opinions into anything they want them to mean. Daley bulldozed Meig's runway in the middle of the night and nothing was done. The Chicago way.

 

[Dr Falken]

Richie, YOU may have done those things, but leave me out of it. I have committed no such crimes and resent being included in your "we".

I look forward to the day when I can carry my 1911 down Michigan Avenue while visiting a gun store in your fair city.

You Sir, Rock!

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I think that the only way they will get CC or OC is if SCOTUS uses PorI to incorporate. Doing so would mean that the immunity from prosecution for keeping and bearing arms which exists in one state would extend to all states. This would also make the LTCH or any other states' CCW or whatever permit an exercise in futility because at least one state allows carry without that necessity, therefore all states would be required to do so.

That'd sure be great, wouldn't it?

However, the Court has indicated that they are in favor of regulation. I do not see them making such a sweeping change. Sad, but there it is. Only my .

Blessings,
Bill

Bill I have slightly different interpretation of the PoI, I think the USSC has ruled (I think cruikshank or slaughterhouse but not sure without checking) that one state cannot discriminate against citizens of another state. For example, State A under the 1st Amendment freedom of assembly clause, has decided that no permit is needed for public gatherings, State B has decided that yes you need a permit if there is going to be over 10 people there. State A can't then say that only residents of state A don't need permits, but residents of all the other states do. But state B can say that all people residents or non do.

Or for firearms, IL does not allow their citizens to carry loaded(for the most part), they would not have to let citizens of other states either. If it was incorporated under PoI, I could see reciprocity comeing down one of two ways, either that all states that issue licenses/permits etc have to recognize all others, which would be great or that all states that issue them have to issue to non-residents under the same rules which would be not so great.

 

[jedi]

I'll wait and see what is actually done rather than said. The machine gets it's way and lawyers these days can parse legal opinions into anything they want them to mean. Daley bulldozed Meig's runway in the middle of the night and nothing was done. The Chicago way.

You sir FULLY understand the "Chicago Way".
For all those that don't let me explain something to you.
1) I does not matter how many complain/rip the mayor on the internet, he will WIN the next election. (Note: WIN does not equal "win fairly", no such thing in Chicago).

2) Mayor Daley is the last of the great political machines left in this country and no one (not the local people, the state or even the feds) will ever bring him down. The level of corruption is very deep up here.

3) The mayor has friends in all levels of local, state and now even federal places. I7BO came from here BTW & they are buddies. Do you really think I7BO will let him ever take any heat? Daley knows "too much" he will never take any heat for anything.

4) Even if Chicago loses the case, do not be fooled that you will one day be able to OC/CC in this city. Look at DC. They lost the case and yet still Heller had to take them back to court on the issue since they just changed the regulations and made them close to impossible to register a handgun in DC. The fees along can cost up to $500, only a very limited # of handgun models are allowed (it's based on a list from CA and further restricted), all levels of paperwork must be processed for gun/fingerprint/personal info identifical. A firearm course must be taken, the gun must be inspected & fired by the DC police, etc, etc, etc.

Chicago will resort to the same thing. The nightmare to attempt to register a handgun will be a paperwork nightmare and cost a ton of money.

5) Even if we dream and say #4 does not occur the state of IL does not have a OC/CC law. So you can't just carry how you can in IN. You need the FOID to buy a handgun and to be able to take it to/from home to other places. However during transport it must be UNLOADED AND AMMO IN A SEPERATE LOCATION. So this win against chicago still does not help.

6) Yes IL just passed out of committee a proposed law to allow OC but they have done so 5 times in the past 5 years and everytime it dies in the next committee and never reaches the floor and never will!

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Now think of 1, 2, and 3 and remember I7BO learned from Daley how to do 1, 2, and 3. Now think of 2012.

 

[bigiron]

You sir FULLY understand the "Chicago Way".
For all those that don't let me explain something to you.
1) I does not matter how many complain/rip the mayor on the internet, he will WIN the next election. (Note: WIN does not equal "win fairly", no such thing in Chicago).

2) Mayor Daley is the last of the great political machines left in this country and no one (not the local people, the state or even the feds) will ever bring him down. The level of corruption is very deep up here.

3) The mayor has friends in all levels of local, state and now even federal places. I7BO came from here BTW & they are buddies. Do you really think I7BO will let him ever take any heat? Daley knows "too much" he will never take any heat for anything.

4) Even if Chicago loses the case, do not be fooled that you will one day be able to OC/CC in this city. Look at DC. They lost the case and yet still Heller had to take them back to court on the issue since they just changed the regulations and made them close to impossible to register a handgun in DC. The fees along can cost up to $500, only a very limited # of handgun models are allowed (it's based on a list from CA and further restricted), all levels of paperwork must be processed for gun/fingerprint/personal info identifical. A firearm course must be taken, the gun must be inspected & fired by the DC police, etc, etc, etc.

Chicago will resort to the same thing. The nightmare to attempt to register a handgun will be a paperwork nightmare and cost a ton of money.

5) Even if we dream and say #4 does not occur the state of IL does not have a OC/CC law. So you can't just carry how you can in IN. You need the FOID to buy a handgun and to be able to take it to/from home to other places. However during transport it must be UNLOADED AND AMMO IN A SEPERATE LOCATION. So this win against chicago still does not help.

6) Yes IL just passed out of committee a proposed law to allow OC but they have done so 5 times in the past 5 years and everytime it dies in the next committee and never reaches the floor and never will!

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Now think of 1, 2, and 3 and remember I7BO learned from Daley how to do 1, 2, and 3. Now think of 2012.

yep, you're right. now i'd pack because you've leaked daleys secrets and hes gonna put cement shoes on you and drop you in montrose harbor with everyone else who has bad mouthed him. its the chicago way!

 

[jedi]

Did you not hear with all the IN firearm owner boating accidents and the cement shoe people that have been fed to teh fish there is NO MORE room down there any more. =p

 

[irishfan]

I am sure that nobody in the Daley political tree has used a gun to get a vote to go their way.

 

[sparky241]

after The Heller case was handed down didnt Dalley say he would never allow it in his city? we'll see.

 

[SilentWarrior1]

It won't be long. The people are waking up and paying attention. I give it 2 years max and carry will be allowed in Illinois AND Chicago.

 

[tv1217]

Daley is an

 

[LPMan59]

It won't be long. The people are waking up and paying attention. I give it 2 years max and carry will be allowed in Illinois AND Chicago.

doubt it. i would love it if this were the case. but chicago will just adopt different laws that will deter the purchasing of handguns, much like DC has done.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I wish it would be two years, but those of here are spoiled rotten and do not understand the pathological hate toward guns that Chicago has.

Mayor Daley will do anything not to allow guns into Chicago in any shape manner or form.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I got thinking about what I'd read in this article the other day and it struck me... I never, EVER thought I would hear something come from Daley's foul piehole that would make sense or with which I would agree... but it happened.

“Why can’t I go to the Supreme Court and sit there with a gun and listen to the arguments? If a gun is so important to us on the street or someone’s home, why can’t I go to the Supreme Court and sit there with a gun? I’m not gonna shoot anyone. But, I have a right to that gun,” Daley said, his voice dripping with sarcasm. “Why can’t I go see my congressman who doesn’t believe in gun laws? Why can’t I carry my gun into congressmen’s offices or go to his home and knock on his door and say, ‘Don’t be worried. I have a gun. You want me to have a gun.’ Why is it they want to be protected by all the federal money ... to protect all the federal bureaucrats, but when it comes to us in the city” there’s no protection?"

These are exactly the arguments we've made for years. Sure, Daley's being sarcastic, but he's echoing the thoughts and words of lawful gun owners... The point he's made for us is that he claims to feel unprotected while those in power forbid guns in the hands of any but their servants. The shoe is now on the other foot, ya nimrod... or would Nero be the better name to apply? Only now do you see the facts, once they are applied to you.



He also said:


“There’s a reality, but also there should be passion and common sense. We assassinated President John F. Kennedy. We assassinated Martin Luther King. And we assassinated Robert F. Kennedy — and we’re proud of that...."

Hmm. So... I guess the Warren Commission wasn't necessary. I wonder if Daley himself pulled the trigger(s), or if he was referring to "we" as some group... maybe some 'family' to which he belongs...

IIRC, there is no statute of limitations on murder....

Blessings,
Bill

 

[bigiron]

not to mention that he is escorted by city of chicago police officers who are undoubtedly armed. and his estate is protected by armed security. he has never had to feel umprotected so he has not voice to represent the "people". he grew up in politics and his family was protected. so, IMHO, he should shut the hell up and let the people have a voice, not to mention the fact of what our constitution represents. he may have made sense in the statements he made but you can smell the sarcasm. may he puke in his mouth and choke on it when the SCOTUS ruling comes down.

 

[jedi]

It won't be long. The people are waking up and paying attention. I give it 2 years max and carry will be allowed in Illinois AND Chicago.

Sadly the truth is Chicago will not have CC/OC for as long as Daley is [STRIKE]king[/STRIKE] mayor. Daley is going to pass away of old age in office and after his passing **maybe** just **maybe** the city has a slim chance of having the restrictions removed. But do not hold your breath on that. It is in no one in power interest for the gun laws to change in Chicago. The police union will continue to fight for it so they can have more police and/or higher pay since it's a tough job in Chicago. The elitist in the north side of Chicago don't want it. It would remove the "image" of no crime in their area as that only occurs on the south side where the Ghetto is.

The south side doesn't need it. The gangs already have guns and would prefer if those they rob would NOT have them. Why upset that balance of power. Local politicans and even those wanting to run can continue to use the line "We need more gun laws to stop all this inner-city violence".

So you see all parties really need the status quote to stay so they can continue to have their power.

As for the people. Note that LAKE COUNTY, IL has the HIGHEST % of people on government aid than ANYWHERE in the nation. (LA is # 2). So long as they people continue to get their government aid, can have their fried chicken and catfish, make babies and not work they really don't care what the system does. The system gives them everything they need to not work so why change it? Why?

 

[cbop]

There are 2 groups in Chicago that doesn't want the citizens to have guns: the politicians and the criminals........ oh, wait... that is just one group

 

[esigler]

I agree Bill!

 

[thompal]

Kirk that sounds a lot like a confession to me? But your the lawyer did Daley just actually implicate himself in several murders?

Daley was using the imperial "we." He has a difficult time getting out of that "king" mindset, especially when he looks out over his realm and his subjects, and sees all the profit potential.