Cut off the water and the vine dies.

[smokingman]

If you go outside and you are alone,you did not yell loud enough for me to hear you.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I have never heard this. Can you please direct me to more information or is this your opinion?

Look up some of Lincoln's statements in his 2nd term campaign.

Look up the original 13th Amendment (You can find it called "The Corwin Amendment")

Let me save you a little time:


"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

by:

Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)
Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Volume 3.



"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that."

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Source: Gabor S. Boritt, "'And the War Came'? Abraham Lincoln and the Question of Individual Responsibility," Why the Civil War Came edited by Boritt (1996), pp 3-30.


"I thought that in your struggle for the Union, to whatever extent the negroes should cease helping the enemy, to that extent it weakened the enemy in his resistance to you. Do you think differently? I thought that whatever negroes can be got to do as soldiers, leaves just so much less for white soldiers to do, in saving the Union. Does it appear otherwise to you? But negroes, like other people, act upon motives. Why should they do any thing for us, if we will do nothing for them? If they stake their lives for us, they must be prompted by the strongest motive—even the promise of freedom. And the promise being made, must be kept."

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Source: Abraham Lincoln wrote this in a letter to James C. Conkling dated August 26, 1863.


And, admittedly, this is a wiki "source" and I normally put no stock in those, but I find this one accurate and concisely stated.

Corwin Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Consider, in light of this topic, a small anecdote: We speak of it being time or not being time. In September of 1774, British troops raided a single location on the outskirts of the town of Cambridge, Massachusetts. They [strike]stole[/strike] confiscated the town's supply of gunpowder and lead shot.

Within 24 hours, the people descended upon Boston, where the British military governor of the colony had his headquarters. He had 3,000 troops at his command.

The colonists had 30,000 armed, angry men, ready to fight and if necessary, ready to die over this affront. That is not a typo.

24 hours
30,000 men
without phones, internet, radio, or TV.

And they were ready to fight and to die over governmental overreach, theft, and in the final analysis, gun control.

When it was all said and done, there was no blood shed that day, but the Revolutionary War began seven months later.

Even as angry as they were, even as ready to fight, armed and loaded for bear as they were, it STILL took them seven more months and lots more provocation to fight a war.



Would they look at our society and fight? I think they might, but we are not they. They had one of two options. I do not recall the exact quote nor am I able to find it at present, but there was a quote about what choice they had: Submission to the King or treason against their own government. The former was essential slavery, the latter a death sentence if they failed. What choice indeed must good men make? (end paraquote)

What will it take? What will be the catalyst that actually sparks the fight that I DO see coming? I don't know. I hope and pray that I'm wrong about it coming. I hope and pray that our Founders' vision was accurate and that we are still able to utilize the third option that they bled to give us: A form of government where We, the People, have a voice and the expectation that that voice will be heard and heeded.

It IS time for a revolution, my friends, a revolutionary war! But I mean this in a far different sense than the one fought almost 235 years ago; I mean a war so revolutionary, so novel that its methods defy the enemies of our country that sit in office now.

These methods will not be easy. They will not be quick. Don't think microwave: Think crock pot. On "very low".

We need to get good people into office and bad people out. We need those in office to be the type who don't want to be there but understand what their purpose is and of character enough to hold to those purposes and principles. Those people need to be absolutely dedicated to our Constitution and returning it to its once-high position. These people will not be proposing sweeping legislation to return the country to those roots.... no sir. Those people, once in office, will be tasked to do no more than to block new laws and new methods of enforcing the old, bad ones... until we have a majority, at which time those bad laws can be stricken, repealed, dispensed-with... and our people can live as a free people should.

The catch is that between now and when the electorate realizes they are able to (and proud to) stand on their own two feet, without Nanny Gov supporting them.... well.. no other way to say it: That time frame is going to SUCK. There will be pain. There will be suffering. There will be people starving. As callous as it sounds, we're making an America omelette and dammit, we're gonna have to break some eggs.

I make no bones about whether this will be easy; it won't. It will, I think, be worth it, though.

If we have the will to make it happen. Franklin was asked as he exited the Continental Congress, "What kind of government have you crafted for us?"

He answered, "A Republic, if you can keep it!"

Were this to happen today, how many would approach the Elder Statesman with such a question?

How many fewer would understand the answer?

Those who would not.... they are the eggs. Let's get crackin'.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[E5RANGER375]

The reason Lincoln freed he slaves is because in the north it wasn't economically sound to use slave labor because of the cold seasons, the if we can't have them, nobody can have them mentality.

i hope you were joking and you dont realy believe that. read letter from the civil war soldiers and officers from the south. the reason i gave is correct. im big into the civil war history. i had family on both sides, but more from the southern states. it was over states rights and refusal to be bullied anymore

 

[E5RANGER375]

Bill, id give you more rep, but it wont let me do it again so soon. THUMBS UP MAN!!!

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

Bill, id give you more rep, but it wont let me do it again so soon. THUMBS UP MAN!!!

I would for you but I have to spread some around before I can rep him again.

 

[45calibre]

anybody notice how we got the guns at work bill passed and then they slap us with the healthcare reform.

 

[Greenmonsta79]

This country is in the crapper and it is just waiting to be flushed, Now I know not everyone is going to agree with me on this one but I am a Christian and I believe in the word of God and our country was much greater when we put God first, and then slowly over the years our country has pushed God out and to the side for the STATE, Our country looks more like soddom & gomorrah than a true Christian state, Gay marriages, Abortion, Drugs, the majority of our country has forgot GOD! I think that is why our founding fathers started this country in the first place! Instead we have replaced him with everything immoral and they (the government) hope you will forget about God and give up your inalienable human rights, Now when our founding fathers fought the British I really don't know if they thought they had a chance but they knew they would rather die on their feet than live on their knees, and the majority of Americans now just don't care "oh well as long as we can sit down and watch TV that's all that matters?" people genuinely don't care as long as "they" are cared for what happened to do unto others as they would do unto you? Oh I forgot they said God does not exist and don't mind that fairy tale, It is our own undoing that has festered for YEARS! and the socialists are rubbing their hands together because they know it is close to either A. get your stamp showing your undying support and allegiance to the Government (sound familiar mark of the beast 666) or B. Be outcast from society not being able to buy, sell, or trade and being subject to your own security? (hmmm) How many Americans do you know that are going to accept situation #2 ? when that time comes I am heading for the hills boys! And remember if we bless God he will bless us!!!