COVID OMICRON Thread

[jamil]

Holy moving goal posts, Batman. No one i have seen is saying the state is pushing this, they are saying hospital groups, physician groups, and professional ethics arbiters are pushing this. What I recall I saw threatened ethics actions that could take away the career by a medical organization.

The real ****ing conspiracy is how much has been done, that is clearly of strong interest to the state, by third private parties, to curry favor with the state.

Moving goal posts? It was an inquiry. I heard this reported somewhere and was asking if Hough knew if that was true. C’mon man. Keep up.

 

[nra4ever]

And now the Irish are done with the nonsense

 

[mbills2223]

Nobody likes to be told they’re wrong. Maybe every now and then try acknowledging what you think they’re getting right instead of only what you think they’re getting wrong. No one is 100% wrong all the time. Well. Unless you’re a Democrat post 2016 and are not smoking hot Tulsi Gabbard.

Telling people what they are right about is really no fun dude. I'll try to address both your posts in one here

First, I'm no more an establishment fan than anyone else here....people here that have known me long enough and well enough will know that.

Cloth mask? Probably not worth it...certainly not for Omicron. I told my employees in the very beginning not to bother with cloth masks and explicitly prohibited them in the pharmacy. I outfitted all of them with N95s and we continue to wear them.

Vaccines? Did the media get vaccines right...hell no. When I heard them talking about it I shook my head from the beginning and knew they were doing more harm in the long run than good with their explanation of them. When I read it heard things from medical folks in the government...I understood exactly based on their words that there would be plenty of breakthrough cases and that it wasn't going to prevent disease anywhere near 100%, but that it likely would reduce severe disease and death....that's true of most vaccines I know of. I still believe strongly that most folks should get it.

Government mandates? **** no. Always. Employer mandates? Fair game...sorry.

Sure...I could focus on what we agree on, but I think in any serious conversation that someone has to voice the other side.

I do believe in what I say when it comes to all things COVID. If the establishment view lines up with that...well...sorry. I don't truthfully care too much what they say. I speak on this because I believe it, and I genuinely believe that the views I hold are things that will help others. If my delivery sucks, well...sorry...but it's pretty easy to get that way when so many pile on and belittle.

 

[mbills2223]

Speaking of "...there are just so many that throw it out for every little thing."

That has become fringe INGO for 'the few people who agree with my more left-leaning ideas weren't welcomed with open arms'

You think vaccines are a left leaning idea? You think I'm left leaning? Lolol

 

[bobzilla]

Yeah. I don’t know anything about being belittled by pro-vax people at all. Nope. They’re angels.

 

[mbills2223]

I get that, but Ivermectin is how much per dose vs the $$$ for vaccines or other treatments? Plus its a generic...no one is making money off that!

I posted this on another forum earlier today...

Dozens of firms to make cheap version of Merck COVID pill for poorer nations

Nearly 30 generic drugmakers in Asia, Africa and the Middle East will make cheap versions of Merck & Co's COVID-19 pill, under a landmark U.N.-backed deal to give poorer nations wider access to a drug seen as a weapon in fighting the pandemic.

www.reuters.com

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I hate to break it to you, but plenty of money is made on generics.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

that's true of most vaccines I know of.

No, most vaccines (see Polio, Smallpox, Measles, Mumps, Rubella) prevent getting the disease. Flu "vaccines" notwithstanding.

Employer mandates? Fair game...sorry.

You think an employer should require employees to have a medical procedure in order to be employed?

 

[ancjr]

Not sure about other fields, but pretty sure you can't be in the military, a doctor or nurse without lots of vaccinations.

 

[mbills2223]

No, most vaccines (see Polio, Smallpox, Measles, Mumps, Rubella) prevent getting the disease. Flu "vaccines" notwithstanding.

You think an employer should require employees to have a medical procedure in order to be employed?

None of those vaccines are 100% effective. They are absolutely more effective than COVID vaccines, but they are not 100%. Polio is by far the most effective of those mentioned.


No, I don't think they should, and I didn't say they should. I said they can. If you don't like that, then this may not be the right government or economic system for you. Although calling a vaccine a medical procedure is a bit dramatic, I understand what you're saying. I had to go to a lab and take a **** test for my employer, and do on a routine basis... Should I have to do that to stay employed? Maybe...maybe not (I'd say yes in my line of work), but if I want to stay employed there then I have to play by their rules.

People often put words in my mouth on this sort of thing. It's similar to when I say people should get vaccinated and people respond about mandates and government vaccine programs.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not sure about other fields, but pretty sure you can't be in the military, a doctor or nurse without lots of vaccinations.

Like the proven, (long term studied and deemed safe due to "actual" science and not pseudo science) vaccinations that are required of most school children, sure.

 

[mbills2223]

Not sure about other fields, but pretty sure you can't be in the military, a doctor or nurse without lots of vaccinations.

Hell, you can barely go to school without lots of vaccinations

 

[mbills2223]

Like the proven, (long term studied and deemed safe due to "actual" science and not pseudo science) vaccinations that are required of most school children, sure.

Calling it pseudoscience is just inaccurate.

 

[Ingomike]

Is there any evidence that sanctioning boards are threatening doctors who prescribe it? I’ve seen this reported by groups who would have a bias towards wanting to believe that is true. But is it true, is the question. It seems like if sanctioning bodies were threatening to sanction doctors that would be a big deal, and really provable.

Doc posted a pic of what I would call a threat if they even disputed the orthodoxy much less prescribed against it…

But who specifically is “they”? If it’s just a policy enforced by whatever medical group he’s in. That’s onenthing, but if it’s a state sanctioning body that’s something different.

Holy moving goal posts, Batman. No one i have seen is saying the state is pushing this, they are saying hospital groups, physician groups, and professional ethics arbiters are pushing this. What I recall I saw threatened ethics actions that could take away the career by a medical organization.

The real ****ing conspiracy is how much has been done, that is clearly of strong interest to the state, by third private parties, to curry favor with the state.

Moving goal posts? It was an inquiry. I heard this reported somewhere and was asking if Hough knew if that was true. C’mon man. Keep up.

We were not discussing this?

 

[ancjr]

Hell, you can barely go to school without lots of vaccinations

I knew there was something I was missing out on.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

None of those vaccines are 100% effective. They are absolutely more effective than COVID vaccines, but they are not 100%. Polio is by far the most effective of those mentioned.

Nothing is ever going to be absolutely 100%, but you have to admit that all of those things are so rare as to be effectively eliminated.

You make a good point about drug testing (especially in your field) but I don't agree with those either, without cause. I've had two employers (current and the one previous) both say that their policy is, if there's a problem, we'll investigate. If there's not, we won't.

 

[mbills2223]

Nothing is ever going to be absolutely 100%, but you have to admit that all of those things are so rare as to be effectively eliminated.

You make a good point about drug testing (especially in your field) but I don't agree with those either, without cause. I've had two employers (current and the one previous) both say that their policy is, if there's a problem, we'll investigate. If there's not, we won't.

Think we are at consensus on the first statement, and really the second. No...I don't think places should force things...I despise it, but I feel it's part of living in the system that we do. Employers have those rights.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Calling it pseudoscience is just inaccurate.

Perhaps, but when politics gets involved with science it sure starts to trend that way.

 

[Ingomike]

None of those vaccines are 100% effective. They are absolutely more effective than COVID vaccines, but they are not 100%. Polio is by far the most effective of those mentioned.


No, I don't think they should, and I didn't say they should. I said they can. If you don't like that, then this may not be the right government or economic system for you. Although calling a vaccine a medical procedure is a bit dramatic, I understand what you're saying. I had to go to a lab and take a **** test for my employer, and do on a routine basis... Should I have to do that to stay employed? Maybe...maybe not (I'd say yes in my line of work), but if I want to stay employed there then I have to play by their rules.

People often put words in my mouth on this sort of thing. It's similar to when I say people should get vaccinated and people respond about mandates and government vaccine programs.

So by your, standards an employer who believes that ivermectin has prophylactic properties, can mandate all employees take ivermectin to keep the workplace safe?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Employers have those rights.

And IMHO, they shouldn't.

 

[ancjr]

Why limit it to CV. Why don't employers protect employees from other communicable diseases?