Complacency, Ohio instructor shoots a student in the arm...

[Dirtebiker]

Because when pictures like this are posted and everyone starts running around the conference table, they never allow for the fact that the guy might have cleared it.

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Are you allowing for the "fact" that he might NOT have cleared it?


Whether he did or not, the picture makes him look pretty stupid!

 

[Coach]

Unpossible. I know from the Internet:

1. That guns are completely safe and can be waved about with complete impunity.

2. You cannot have an ND with a revolver.

3. The Four Rules are outdated and the new hotness is to put people at risk of harm because the world is not a square range . . . or something.

My question: did he think he had a blue gun? I betcha he did think he had a blue gun and that it was "safe" to wave the handgun about.

I will bet he did not think he had a blue gun. I will bet the guy does not use blue guns. It obviously was not a blue gun because they cannot shoot people.

 

[rhino]

My question: did he think he had a blue gun? I betcha he did think he had a blue gun and that it was "safe" to wave the handgun about.

Evidence?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Evidence?

I need evidence to bet? Hunch is all I got. I do know that some people point blue guns at others because it is "not a gun", ummm, until it is. It is habit, a bad one, that they reinforce with blue guns.

No, like a table in Vegas I'm putting my chits on "thinking he had a blue gun and waved it all about" section of the table. I may lose, but this is how I am betting.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I need evidence to bet? Hunch is all I got. I do know that some people point blue guns at others because it is "not a gun", ummm, until it is. It is habit, a bad one, that they reinforce with blue guns.

No, like a table in Vegas I'm putting my chits on "thinking he had a blue gun and waved it all about" section of the table. I may lose, but this is how I am betting.

I'd take that bet. I just can't see how someone without significant nerve damage in their hand coupled with blindness could make that mistake. Its like saying because I have Nerf battles with my son if we go hunting with real guns we'll forget and just start blasting at each other with shotguns. Or shoot foam darts at the squirrels.

Great, now I want to shoot squirrels in your yard with a Nerf gun to see their reaction. Oooh, something shiny. I'll be right back.

 

[AngryRooster]

Does this apply?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEQKecMUawc&list=TLGybMDJQnRCI

 

[rhino]

I need evidence to bet? Hunch is all I got. I do know that some people point blue guns at others because it is "not a gun", ummm, until it is. It is habit, a bad one, that they reinforce with blue guns.

No, like a table in Vegas I'm putting my chits on "thinking he had a blue gun and waved it all about" section of the table. I may lose, but this is how I am betting.

Okay, no one is going to sway your opinion about inert training replicas.

So, given you feel that way, why should we even have them? If they should/must be treated as guns, then we should never use them for activities for which a functional firearm is inappropriate. If there is no difference in using them vs. a functional firearm, should use "real" guns for everything, or just not do the training for which inert replicas were invented?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

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Ohio instructor prosecuted for misdemeanor offenses only: Ohio firearms instructor charged for unintentional shooting - Atlanta Firearms | Examiner.com

 

[JettaKnight]

Well if this would have been a police officer it would have been considered an accidental discharge, since they obviously arent ever negligent in any of their actions.

Gunner

At this time the Fairfield county Sheriff believes the shooting to be accidental and no charges have been filed.

EDIT:

If convicted, he faces a possible sentence of 60 days in jail and a $500 fine.

So, Ohio wants me to be forced to sit in these shooting galleries so I can get a CCL? NO THANKS!

 

[DemolitionMan]

It's interesting to me that in all the discussion about the four rules, there's no discussion of the fact that he broke a basic education rule: no live ammunition in the classroom. You're dealing with people with an unknown amount of firearms expertise. Live ammo should not be there. Snap caps, cut-away rounds, empty brass, bullets, etc. can be used as visual aids as necessary. Students shouldn't be touching live ammo until they are on the range and getting ready to take their first shots.

I know that in this case the live rounds were in the instructor's firearm...but why did he have them there? What was he showing them that he could not have shown using snap caps?

I realize I'm talking about an NRA education policy, and it sounds like this person was certified by Ohio so they may use different rules, but it's still just a common sense safety precaution.

 

[Hookeye]

I have seen more than one NRA instructor who was a moron.

 

[DemolitionMan]

I have seen more than one NRA instructor who was a moron.

Me too. After all, I have a mirror.

I'm not sure how that's relevant though. The point is he shouldn't have had live ammunition in the classroom to begin with.

 

[JettaKnight]

I realize I'm talking about an NRA education policy, and it sounds like this person was certified by Ohio so they may use different rules, but it's still just a common sense safety precaution.

This is the land where they celebrate poisonous nuts...

 

[DemolitionMan]

This is the land where they celebrate poisonous nuts...

I grew up there....and I never understood that part. Oh well, at least Ohioans know what a buckeye is. I'm still not clear on what a "hoosier" is.

 

[Hookeye]

Me too. After all, I have a mirror.

I'm not sure how that's relevant though. The point is he shouldn't have had live ammunition in the classroom to begin with.

Whatever the NRA policy is (somebody mentioned one previously), have seen some instructors break serious safety rules.
Policy is just policy IMHO, has no power in the real world.