College Students' opinion of campus carry

[David D]

At the end of the day, it's not illegal to carry on campus. Cover it up, keep your mouth shut, JFC.

Sounds pretty darn simple and wise to me.

 

[JeremiahJohnson]

Poor elementary school grammar.

"I believe..."
"I believe..."
"I believe..."

Who gives a #$%^ what you believe - where's your supporting data. Laws - or in this case rules - should never be written on sentiment and feeling. Data boys and girls. Do some open research, you should change your mind. But, if your mind is closed, then don't bother. The facts will only upset you.

 

[1775usmarine]

For those going for a liberal degree the brainwashing has a much greater chance of succeeding then say if they took diesel technology like me or some other trade related degree.

 

[IUprof]

What is stopping you?
I know of one professor who carries on campus daily! I'm guessing there are more.

Of course I could, it's not illegal. However I value my job more. Of course that would be the objective of concealed carry that no one know you have it, so you have a point.

 

[Bill of Rights]

What is stopping you?
I know of one professor who carries on campus daily! I'm guessing there are more.

Of course I could, it's not illegal. However I value my job more. Of course that would be the objective of concealed carry that no one know you have it, so you have a point.

This is a good, politically correct answer, IUprof. Dirtebiker, have you considered that maybe he DOES carry, but says he does not, just in case someone from the school has a habit of monitoring his computer or checking out online posts? Personally, I don't value my job more highly than my life, however, I do value my liberty on an equal par with my life. Were I, in the course of my job, to be called to a school or other property where the law protects only LEOs from criminal penalties based on the possession of an object rather than acts causing harm to others, I could be placed in a position to forfeit that liberty as a judicial response to my breaking what I consider to be an unjust and unConstitutional law.

It matters not what I consider it, however, at this point in time, it IS the law that if I'm carrying a firearm on (k-12) school property, I am committing a felony. We here on INGO have suggested many times to legislators that that law is unjust and needs to change. Hopefully, they will listen.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Spencir]

Here is the response from a police officer in my class

I favor allowing students, who have met the requirements to be able to legally carry firearms, to do so on campus for the protection of themselves and others. However, that is not without some reservations. Some of the requirements I just spoke of only pertain to DOCUMENTED cases of mental illness, and don't address training and/or decision-making at all.

I have no doubt that there are people who have obtained a license to carry a handgun who are mentally unstable, but simply have not had an official diagnosis. I also have no doubt that there are people who have a carry permit who have no idea as to how they might react in a life-or-death situation because they have never trained for it or faced it for real.

Those reservations aside, a quote I heard recently reference a school shooting resonates with me: "The only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun." That may seem harsh, but that is reality.

And retired Army Lt Col David Grossman, author of the books "On Killing" and "On Combat", wrote a telling essay on "Sheeps and Sheepdogs" that succinctly addresses the subject using the analogies of those animals as types of people. His paper is another reference that I would point to as affirming my overall convictions on the subject.

 

[noone1569]

I think it is ridiculous we can't carry on IUPUi

 

[Spencir]

I think it is ridiculous we can't carry on IUPUi

(Well by can't I'm meaning not allowed by the university)

I completely agree. Especially if you consider how many times we get emails about a sexual assault or robbery on campus.

 

[USMC-Johnson]

I dont so much care about these students opinions as much as i care about how poorly both views were written.

 

[Bushido Devil Dog]

The online forum portion this week of my public safety class is on the topic of students carrying on campus. Here are some of the opinions from students in my class.

I believe that by Also (wtf??!? ) , if it was legal then I could see a situation where a shooter who has his mind made up could better plan an attack because it would be okay for him or her to have a firearm on them.


It seems that so far, the students are uneducated about guns and think the police will arrive in time to protect them. I will post more as more students respond

...as if a potential campus mass-murderer would have the following Gollum vs. Smeagol-esque conversation with the voices in their head:

CBSC*-self: We wants it, we needs it. Must kill them all. They hates us. Sneaky little bratses and snobses. Wicked, tricksy, false!
Less CBSC-self: Yes, Yes! Murder them! Slaughter them all..!
CBSC-self: Yes, precious, Yes! We will get gunses and shoot them ALL like the sick vermin they are!
Less CBSC-self: ...But guns are not allowed on campus!
CBSC-self: What did you say..?
Less CBSC-self: The school does not allow students to bring guns on campus..!
CBSC-self: But...but...
Less CBSC-self: We have no problemses with breaking the laws against mass-murder...but we'd better not violate the schools rule against guns....we might get in trouble..!


*CBSC = Completely Bat-St Crazy


...and decide against carrying out their plan..!

 

[the1kidd03]

At the end of the day, it's not illegal to carry on campus. Cover it up, keep your mouth shut, JFC.

Sounds pretty darn simple and wise to me.

Then risk having $50k or more in debt for nothing. No thanks. Not for me.

I've heard tell of school's ability to not issue any credits for courses completed. Meaning they wouldn't release transcripts or otherwise recognize the completion of their courses if the student broke the regulations. What truth there is to this? IDK. Is it fair? No. Is it legal?

 

[ChalupaCabras]

I've only been out of college a few years, and IMO, I can see where they are coming from. I think they could be shown to be wrong, but I understand their fears.


I wouldn't trust 80% of the chuds I used to sit next to in classes with a firearms. Not ever. Yes, there were a few solid individuals that I knew could be trusted, but we are talking about 5 or 6 individuals in a body of around 2 thousand.

SHOULD we be able to trust college students with a gun? You bet - we trust them with our lives on the road afterall. But the issue is that most of them are not yet up to the maturity level that they sould be.

 

[the1kidd03]

I've only been out of college a few years, and IMO, I can see where they are coming from. I think they could be shown to be wrong, but I understand their fears.


I wouldn't trust 80% of the chuds I used to sit next to in classes with a firearms. Not ever. Yes, there were a few solid individuals that I knew could be trusted, but we are talking about 5 or 6 individuals in a body of around 2 thousand.

SHOULD we be able to trust college students with a gun? You bet - we trust them with our lives on the road afterall. But the issue is that most of them are not yet up to the maturity level that they sould be.

This misconception is part of the problem.

We're not talking about handing guns out to ALL college kids. We're talking about those who are ALREADY licensed by the state to carry, and who DO carry off campus everyday, being allowed to ALSO carry on campus. There is a significant difference here in how people perceive this discussion. The people who would put the rule change to use ALREADY carry. This rule change would not miraculously change people's perspective of guns and motivate them to start carrying. They would have made such a choice far prior.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I've only been out of college a few years, and IMO, I can see where they are coming from. I think they could be shown to be wrong, but I understand their fears.


I wouldn't trust 80% of the chuds I used to sit next to in classes with a firearms. Not ever. Yes, there were a few solid individuals that I knew could be trusted, but we are talking about 5 or 6 individuals in a body of around 2 thousand.

SHOULD we be able to trust college students with a gun? You bet - we trust them with our lives on the road afterall. But the issue is that most of them are not yet up to the maturity level that they sould be.

How many of them carry off campus? What is the difference? I can't legally carry when picking up my daughter from school, but I can legally carry when I take her to the park with other children around. Or the store, or.......

 

[Dirtebiker]

Of course I could, it's not illegal. However I value my job more. Of course that would be the objective of concealed carry that no one know you have it, so you have a point.

Thanks, I usually just wear a hat, so it's not noticeable.

 

[ChalupaCabras]

This misconception is part of the problem.

We're not talking about handing guns out to ALL college kids.

Never said we were. Believe me, I fully understand the injustice of restricting valid permit holders. It happened to me - I used to have to park at a public access site down the road and walk in to my classes because I kept a gun in the car. Don't even get me started on visiting my girlfriend at the time who lived in campus housing.

What I was driving at above, was that I see why there is a knee-jerk reaction againt it. Opposition supporters cant see the difference between us and the run of the mill student because we look the same and by in large do the same kinds of things as others in our peer groups.

Responcibility is an intangible attribute, and we need to work harder at getting out points accross to the other side.

 

[Spencir]

Here is a link to the ridiculous video that we're supposed to watch to understand why it's bad for students to carry on campus.

Can You Defend Yourself with a Gun? | Video - ABC News

The video is clearly skewed to convince people that campus carry is bad. I would say that most people that would carry a gun on campus have actually practiced their draw from concealment enough times where their gun wouldn't get caught in their shirt. They also wouldn't have a mask obscuring their vision or bulky gloves on.

 

[SteveM4A1]

Well I'm glad I never had a class like this in college, I would have laughed the professor out of the room.

 

[aaron580]

Here is a link to the ridiculous video that we're supposed to watch to understand why it's bad for students to carry on campus.

Can You Defend Yourself with a Gun? | Video - ABC News

The video is clearly skewed to convince people that campus carry is bad. I would say that most people that would carry a gun on campus have actually practiced their draw from concealment enough times where their gun wouldn't get caught in their shirt. They also wouldn't have a mask obscuring their vision or bulky gloves on.

Yup thats it! I am not responsible enough to carry a gun on me, ESPECIALLY during classes at school. My reaction time is not as good as any cop out there and I have no experience with real guns, only airsoft.

 

[BuckCreek]

1: Do any of these kids realize that it IS NOT ILLEGAL for them to carry a firearm on campus?
2: Are ANY of these kids able to write a comprehensible paragraph?

"The escorts could even just be golf carts..."!?

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