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CMP is missing 98 M1911A1 pistols.
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If the buck stops with the president of the USA when it comes to the military, then I guess it was all Bidiot’s fault that billions of dollars of our military equipment was handed to the Taliban on a silver platter!
It is/was an absolute disgrace!
Texas couple finds fully automatic military-grade M16s in storage cases purchased online
A couple in Houston recently discovered a number of fully automatic M16s inside gun storage cases they bought from an online government surplus store.
"I bought a totally empty case sir"!!!...............It has happened before. The government is incredibly negligent for an institution that criminalizes negligence.Texas couple finds fully automatic military-grade M16s in storage cases purchased online
A couple in Houston recently discovered a number of fully automatic M16s inside gun storage cases they bought from an online government surplus store.www.ksat.com
It will be ok----bejing joe left billions of military equipment in afghanistan which has been showing up all over the world!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am guessing you are some sort of dinosaur. Bar codes? Really? How very 1980s. RFID, perhaps? I am fairly old, so there may be something newer in inventory control. BTW, if you see a really bright light streaking across the sky, duck. Remember Chicxulub!
Do you have to leave through a metal detector?
If the answer is yes? Lack of oversight in the shipping process.
If the answer is no, wow. 2 and a half years? Theoretically 625 workdays. 98 guns? That's about 1 per week.
No 2-person integrity obviously. Crate in the back, bet there's a form that gets signed off when opened, and signed off when closed. Bubba goes in with everything he needs, banding tools, hammer, crowbar since that's his job. Pops the banding, re-bands after grabbing a gun.
A more conspiratorial theory coming soon.
If the answer is yes? Lack of oversight in the shipping process.
If the answer is no, wow. 2 and a half years? Theoretically 625 workdays. 98 guns? That's about 1 per week.
No 2-person integrity obviously. Crate in the back, bet there's a form that gets signed off when opened, and signed off when closed. Bubba goes in with everything he needs, banding tools, hammer, crowbar since that's his job. Pops the banding, re-bands after grabbing a gun.
A more conspiratorial theory coming soon.
I'm hardly from the Paleozoic Era, but some of my early bosses when I was in Base Supply were from the Vietnam Era.
I worked Supply in the USAF 1986-1999. What I've seen from pics at CMP? They are kickin it old school. Not a manual supply system old-school, but something I could walk in and start working with minimal training. Costco is a giant warehouse, their location system is not that different than what I saw in the USAF during the Reagan Administration.
Big warehouse/subdivision of big warehouse/even numbered rows on one side-odd on the other/if more than one level: A-B-C etc starting from the floor up/numeric location. 01A/22A/17 is warehouse 01/sub-division A/row 22/lowest level/17th storage location. Might be old, but it still works and it's still in use today.
Sealed crates are assigned a storage location, serial numbers inside the crate are linked to the specific crate. If it leaves the storage area, somebody signs for it (probably digitally) and it goes to another area.
Bands are popped, 2 people confirm the quantity and serial numbers before the weapons are inspected/repaired/graded/put back in the crate with 2 people verifying quantity and serial number/re-banded/transferred to the shipping folks who accept custody of the weapons.
There was only one 1911A1 in the box I received from CMP, I checked
You can have all the whiz-bangery you want. It still comes down to the right stuff, being in the right place, in the right quantity.
My honest opinion....those pistols where listed on the transfer documents, but never actually transferred, because of several reasons.......lost prior to shipment, destroyed and never reported, lost stolen or missing from storage depot......I personally don't feel the CMP is at fault.... the problem is A) the military can't prove those pistols were physically transferred and the CMP can't prove they physically received them . I'll ask a couple friends (armors at the store location) for some inside information
Oh, boy. I stepped in it this time. I am a bit more of a dinosaur than you. I am one of those Vietnam Era guys. I worked closely with US Army Supply (S4) and Distribution from '74-'77. We used microfiche. That predates barcodes, IIRC.I'm hardly from the Paleozoic Era, but some of my early bosses when I was in Base Supply were from the Vietnam Era.
I worked Supply in the USAF 1986-1999. What I've seen from pics at CMP? They are kickin it old school. Not a manual supply system old-school, but something I could walk in and start working with minimal training. Costco is a giant warehouse, their location system is not that different than what I saw in the USAF during the Reagan Administration.
Big warehouse/subdivision of big warehouse/even numbered rows on one side-odd on the other/if more than one level: A-B-C etc starting from the floor up/numeric location. 01A/22A/17 is warehouse 01/sub-division A/row 22/lowest level/17th storage location. Might be old, but it still works and it's still in use today.
Sealed crates are assigned a storage location, serial numbers inside the crate are linked to the specific crate. If it leaves the storage area, somebody signs for it (probably digitally) and it goes to another area.
Bands are popped, 2 people confirm the quantity and serial numbers before the weapons are inspected/repaired/graded/put back in the crate with 2 people verifying quantity and serial number/re-banded/transferred to the shipping folks who accept custody of the weapons.
There was only one 1911A1 in the box I received from CMP, I checked
You can have all the whiz-bangery you want. It still comes down to the right stuff, being in the right place, in the right quantity.
I remember microfiche, blame needing reading glasses at a young age on looking at microfiche viewers. It was better in many ways than the CD-ROM that replaced our microfiche.
I was at a test base for bar-codes. LOGMARS (Logistics Markings And Reading Symbols) was not that great and had to be sidelined a couple times (punched cards to the rescue!) The great-grandson of what we tried to make work in the 80's is what the folks at my current job use for inventory management (Intermec made the ancient crap I had to use, and the smart-phone sized scanners today.)
Hell.. I processed FILM, for recon, Strike, and fighters....FILM....they don't have that now.. I did 16mm color for F-15's, 70mm, and 35mm for F-111's, and SLAR, and 5" for RF-4's Also loaded, and processed 16mm for F-5's (T-38) sometimes... old school!
Just to make a fine point. Film photography is alive and well. Perhaps not so much with air reconnaissance, though.
led4thehed2
Sharpshooter
Wow. Details seem to be in short supply presently, and it seems many here have insight as to how cataloging and inventory may work, so I really have nothing to add other than I'm very curious to learn more. Love my CMP guns! Shame to hear anything bad happen to 'em, hope nothing happens to ruin their program.
