Wake up people. The game of poker is finally being played in public view. We are seeing how many jokers are in the governments hands.....
in this case, yes. A line must be drawn somewhere. In this case, it's over a mans claim of de facto ownership of something that is not legally his.
What makes people think this is over?
The BLM statements tell me that they beleive they were right and will be coming back when things cool off a little.
lol. he stole the use of the land. your understanding of economics is non existent.
how about you lease me your back yard, it will always be yours, but i can do what i please on it? ill even promise to pay you yearly fees. oh but wait, i dont like how you are spending the money im paying you on a new car, because it has nothing to do with how you are taking care of the backyard that im using, so ill just stop paying you. ill keep using your land, to run a junkard out of for 20 years, then when you start towing MY cars off YOUR land ill get all pissy and say that its been MY land for the past 20 years. exact same thing thats happening here. if you are cool with it please post your address so i can come check out my new backyard. any yearly fee you want to charge me is fine, because i wont pay for it anyways.
not so cool when its put like that is it?
They jacked his rates up to over $300 a head to try and force him out like they have done every other rancher in the area, he is fighting back. What would you do if your property taxes went from $100 a month to $500 a month, just pay them and be happy that you get to rent the land you built your house on, from the state?
Now that is the crux of the argument. If he had of made this argument, that he was being extorted, I'd sympathize. However, he's flatout saying it's his property to use as he will. The fact that he did pay to the feds, makes his argument really weak. For the history buffs, the federal government does in fact own the land. The land that is now Nevada, became ours, after the Mexican-American War, via the Treaty of Hidalgo, at a cost of $15M. Now, unless there was a waiting list for ownership prior to the treaty, that makes the land FIRMLY US Government, controlled and owned, soil.
So he is claiming ownership of it?
Now that is the crux of the argument. If he had of made this argument, that he was being extorted, I'd sympathize. However, he's flatout saying it's his property to use as he will. The fact that he did pay to the feds, makes his argument really weak. For the history buffs, the federal government does in fact own the land. The land that is now Nevada, became ours, after the Mexican-American War, via the Treaty of Hidalgo, at a cost of $15M. Now, unless there was a waiting list for ownership prior to the treaty, that makes the land FIRMLY US Government, controlled and owned, soil.
It IS his property. Partly. More like ours. But I guess we've become so accustom to thinking of this government of the people as "them" that we don't think of public resources as "ours". No. You said it. It's theirs. They've been making that very clear.He's been calling it "my property."
Since it's "ours"...he needs to ask permission to use "my" part of it. Especially is he's making a profit off it.It IS his property. Partly. More like ours.
I imagine if we started putting our own herds on that land or using it for recreational purposes he'd try his best to force us off of it.It IS his property. Partly. More like ours. But I guess we've become so accustom to thinking of this government of the people as "them" that we don't think of public resources as "ours". No. You said it. It's theirs. They've been making that very clear.
I imagine if we started putting our own herds on that land or using it for recreational purposes he'd try his best to force us off of it.
His use of the land wasn't my point. The point was the words Kut used, and all of us really, show that we no longer think in terms of ours. It's their land. It's their resources. It's Harry Reid's Resources because he has the power.I imagine if we started putting our own herds on that land or using it for recreational purposes he'd try his best to force us off of it.
His use of the land wasn't my point. The point was the words Kut used, and all of us really, show that we no longer think in terms of ours. It's their land. It's their resources. It's Harry Reid's Resources because he has the power.
I haven't decided yet how much blame I place on Bundy. Just that it's somewhere between some and half. If his family really bought the rights to the land and they jacked the fees up to get rid of the ranchers, and this latest standoff was really about Harry Reid helping his son get the Chinese their $5b solar farm, I'd blame Bundy less. If it's just about him not paying reasonable and customary land use fees, then of course, more.