Breaking: Per SCOTUS, Same-Sex Marriage is now law of the land.

[foszoe]

Pastors Now Legally Banned From Calling Gay Lifestyle "Sinful"...

Is it illegal or illegal to be paid for saying it by the state?

 

[BADWOLF]

Any question or comment on a gay perspective is in bounds with me for I have never in my life been offended by any thing because I value freedom of speech and every persons thoughts and feelings carry the same weight with me as my own. Just fyi

 

[BADWOLF]

Now I did find this funny.

 

[foszoe]

Now I did find this funny.
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In my tradition, you get 3 strikes so to speak (marriages). After that you can not marry in the church. However, the first marriage is unique. The readings and the prayers offered are joyful. If it's a second or third marriage, the readings and prayers are penitential and you hear about harlots and sin and repenting.

 

[BADWOLF]

In my tradition, you get 3 strikes so to speak (marriages). After that you can not marry in the church. However, the first marriage is unique. The readings and the prayers offered are joyful. If it's a second or third marriage, the readings and prayers are penitential and you hear about harlots and sin and repenting.

Since I use to hold Bible study in highschool after hours in the library when people bring up the whole sanctity of marriage angle I remind them of the comment to the Pharisee when one of the decipeles asked him if it was better not to marry. And Jesus responded saying " He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." And point to From the beginning it was not so. so if we want to go with and live by gods original intention ..... Ya get where I'm going

But anyway back on topic.

 

[BADWOLF]

But I wholeheartedly believe our current government does alot of overreaching where it has no place to have its fat overpaid self righteous tentacles. In present day America if someone based on their beliefs does not want to provide a service or goods to me I'll take my business and money down the street to someone who will. That's their right as a private business owner and my right as a consumer...

 

[IndyDave1776]

Since I use to hold Bible study in highschool after hours in the library when people bring up the whole sanctity of marriage angle I remind them of the comment to the Pharisee when one of the decipeles asked him if it was better not to marry. And Jesus responded saying " He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so." And point to From the beginning it was not so. so if we want to go with and live by gods original intention ..... Ya get where I'm going

But anyway back on topic.

Very good point. One of my pet peeves is the treatment by some of homosexuality as some type of ne plus ultra sin. Where it is addressed in the New Testament (please note that this is not intended to disparage the validity of the Old Testament as scripture but rather to address a point where the fitting passage is found), it is in the middle of a list of sins some of which I have been guilty of myself. Needless to say, I find this very humbling and it helps me to keep things in perspective. I would say that for me the biggest frustration is the fact that homosexuality has in common with most religions and also with communism that often its most vocal adherents are its worst advertising. It can become easy to see the topic in shades of red when a relatively small number who define themselves by their sexuality rather than accepting it as merely a part of their whole person insist on rubbing everyone else's nose in it in the several ways that they do. I have to admit that sometimes it takes a lot of discipline to refrain from losing sight of this fact. This is a point where people like you are very helpful--reminding the rest of us that you have the goal of living your life as you see fit and are happy to accept the same from us where those with the worst qualities of Jackson and Sharpton have a way of positioning themselves as 'representative'.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Didn't see a thread on this issue specifically... but an update on the Kentucky clerk that continues to refuse Gay Marriage licenses:

SupCt denies emergency request from KY Clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples. Fed judge ordered her to.

http://www.courier-journal.com/stor...erk-could-face-criminal-prosecution/71463078/

Supreme Court to Act on Kentucky Gay Marriage Fight - NBC News

Supreme Court Denies Kentucky Clerk’s Request To Halt Same-Sex Marriage Order

The clerk's options: (1) issue the marriage licenses to straight and gay couples; or (2) resign.

 

[mrjarrell]

Well, she does have other options. She can continue to ignore the judge and be found in contempt and be thrown in jail and fined. Or the state can press charges, arrest and jail/fine her. The sane, right and honourable thing to do would be to resign, as the county clerk in Mississippi did when faced with the same dilemma. No-one's stopping her from worshiping as she pleases and her faith will remain intact. She does not have a right to a government job that she refuses to do. In the private sector she would have already been fired and sent on her way. Sadly, it takes much longer to get rid of bad actors in government positions. Do your job or quit. It's really that simple.

 

[Waveraider]

Now I did find this funny.
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My Grandmother was married three times, and was widowed three times. How is that funny?

 

[Waveraider]

Well, she does have other options. She can continue to ignore the judge and be found in contempt and be thrown in jail and fined. Or the state can press charges, arrest and jail/fine her. The sane, right and honourable thing to do would be to resign, as the county clerk in Mississippi did when faced with the same dilemma. No-one's stopping her from worshiping as she pleases and her faith will remain intact. She does not have a right to a government job that she refuses to do. In the private sector she would have already been fired and sent on her way. Sadly, it takes much longer to get rid of bad actors in government positions. Do your job or quit. It's really that simple.

Completely agree.

 

[jamil]

Well, she does have other options. She can continue to ignore the judge and be found in contempt and be thrown in jail and fined. Or the state can press charges, arrest and jail/fine her. The sane, right and honourable thing to do would be to resign, as the county clerk in Mississippi did when faced with the same dilemma. No-one's stopping her from worshiping as she pleases and her faith will remain intact. She does not have a right to a government job that she refuses to do. In the private sector she would have already been fired and sent on her way. Sadly, it takes much longer to get rid of bad actors in government positions. Do your job or quit. It's really that simple.

I have to agree with you there. It's fine if she wants to stick to her convictions. Most people would just resign. That would be the right thing to do.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Well, she does have other options. She can continue to ignore the judge and be found in contempt and be thrown in jail and fined. Or the state can press charges, arrest and jail/fine her. The sane, right and honourable thing to do would be to resign, as the county clerk in Mississippi did when faced with the same dilemma. No-one's stopping her from worshiping as she pleases and her faith will remain intact. She does not have a right to a government job that she refuses to do. In the private sector she would have already been fired and sent on her way. Sadly, it takes much longer to get rid of bad actors in government positions. Do your job or quit. It's really that simple.

I have to admit that had the SCOTUS decision gone the other way and there was some clerk issuing licenses in defiance of state law, I'd be calling for him/her to stop and quit if it violates his/her convictions.

Assuming this clerk has no other legal basis to stand on and is still intent on keeping her job, I'd encourage her to find other ways to conform while standing up for her deeply held beliefs.

 

[Super Bee]

Well, she does have other options. She can continue to ignore the judge and be found in contempt and be thrown in jail and fined. Or the state can press charges, arrest and jail/fine her. The sane, right and honourable thing to do would be to resign, as the county clerk in Mississippi did when faced with the same dilemma. No-one's stopping her from worshiping as she pleases and her faith will remain intact. She does not have a right to a government job that she refuses to do. In the private sector she would have already been fired and sent on her way. Sadly, it takes much longer to get rid of bad actors in government positions. Do your job or quit. It's really that simple.

I completely agree.

 

[HoughMade]

I have to agree with you there. It's fine if she wants to stick to her convictions. Most people would just resign. That would be the right thing to do.

Yes. It would.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Apparently, she's not ready to give in just yet. How many of us would risk jail time to stand up for something they believe in?

Rowan Co. clerk continues to refuse to issue marriage licenses, - WDRB 41 Louisville News

 

[ArcadiaGP]

How many of us would risk jail time to stand up for something they believe in?

I'd say a lot of us, actually. We know how this is going to end for her... but, she truly does stand by her convictions. Good for her on that regard. I assume there are other people working there that can issue the licenses... so she's not really completely impeding the marriages from happening?

This is her "Molon Labe". If they want her to stop, go and take her job away.

(However... equating firearm ownership to signing gay marriage licenses is a bit of a stretch, I admit :P )

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Looks like it's turning into a circus down there. If you're on Facebook there's a couple of videos showing some folks demanding she quit and some supporting her. If not, if you go to the WDRB website, you could probably get them without having to go through FB.

https://www.facebook.com/WDRBNews/videos/938487429530497/

 

[jamil]

I'd say a lot of us, actually. We know how this is going to end for her... but, she truly does stand by her convictions. Good for her on that regard. I assume there are other people working there that can issue the licenses... so she's not really completely impeding the marriages from happening?

This is her "Molon Labe". If they want her to stop, go and take her job away.

(However... equating firearm ownership to signing gay marriage licenses is a bit of a stretch, I admit :P )

I don't really see her in all that great of light. She has no right to prevent people from doing what is lawful. Her religion isn't the law. It's just her belief. And sticking to her belief is fine and even admirable. But she's taking it to the point where she's effectively making her religion the law over other people. That's not a "Molon Labe" situation. The law isn't hers to make. She's daring someone to take what isn't hers.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I don't really see her in all that great of light. She has no right to prevent people from doing what is lawful. Her religion isn't the law. It's just her belief. And sticking to her belief is fine and even admirable. But she's taking it to the point where she's effectively making her religion the law over other people. That's not a "Molon Labe" situation. The law isn't hers to make. She's daring someone to take what isn't hers.

I would agree with you had this actually been a duly enacted law and not populism and constitutional gymnastics done by SCOTUS to "make it the law".