BREAKING NEWS: AR15s at Obama Events!!!

[Mgderf]

And why must we always suspect a gun owner carrying at an event that gets so much Liberal Attention as a Plant? If it WERE a plant, they'd be doing something stupid to REALLY embarass gun owners. Sheesh. And you people call ME paranoid!

I DID say my "first thought was...".
I did not catch the whole story the first time around. I did not hear that the man was outside the hall where Obama was speaking. All I heard was that he was at the event, open carrying an AR.

My FIRST thought was, "how did he get in that close with an AR? Why was he not stopped LONG before he got anywhere NEAR the POTUS.

It was later I found he was outside.
I STILL wouldn't put it past this administration
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you"

 

[semperfi211]

There will be some lefty plants soon. Gun on hip, Confederate flag in one hand, Budweiser in other hand, bubba teeth.

 

[SavageEagle]

I DID say my "first thought was...".
I did not catch the whole story the first time around. I did not hear that the man was outside the hall where Obama was speaking. All I heard was that he was at the event, open carrying an AR.

My FIRST thought was, "how did he get in that close with an AR? Why was he not stopped LONG before he got anywhere NEAR the POTUS.

It was later I found he was outside.
I STILL wouldn't put it past this administration
"Just because you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they're not out to get you"

That's fine. I wasn't refering to you specificlly. Unless you discourage people from OCing at public events. I was more refering to the very people who have said how good of a job this guy did when not just last year were the same people saying how stupid it would be to OC at a Gun Rights Rally... That was my point.

Hell, I figured I'd killed this thread!

 

[Bigum1969]

That's fine. I wasn't refering to you specificlly. Unless you discourage people from OCing at public events. I was more refering to the very people who have said how good of a job this guy did when not just last year were the same people saying how stupid it would be to OC at a Gun Rights Rally... That was my point.

Hell, I figured I'd killed this thread!

You go get them, Savage. That'll be productive.

 

[Boilers]

How long will or should it take for the media and people that occupy the USA to UNDERSTAND and get bored with the FACT that carrying weapons in the USA is a RIGHT?

next

 

[SavageEagle]

You go get them, Savage. That'll be productive.

If people have truly changed their minds, then lets do this. Let's praise this guy then follow in his footsteps. Let's get out there and show them this is who we are. This is their right too. Let's have a full on OC event right here in Indiana. All over the state, all at the same time. Do I have to be the first in Indiana to do so? I have a lot to risk by carrying my rifle and being in the news doing so, but I'll put all that aside if it will get people here to stand up for their rights and go out there and OC their finest Rifles and Shotguns.

So what do you all say? Are we done with the what ifs or are we going to continue to let the doubts rule our thinking?

 

[ATF Consumer]

If people have truly changed their minds, then lets do this. Let's praise this guy then follow in his footsteps. Let's get out there and show them this is who we are. This is their right too. Let's have a full on OC event right here in Indiana. All over the state, all at the same time. Do I have to be the first in Indiana to do so? I have a lot to risk by carrying my rifle and being in the news doing so, but I'll put all that aside if it will get people here to stand up for their rights and go out there and OC their finest Rifles and Shotguns.

So what do you all say? Are we done with the what ifs or are we going to continue to let the doubts rule our thinking?

As I have stated in previous threads regarding OC at an event such as a rally or parade...whatever you call it...I'm in.

 

[SavageEagle]

Anywhere, anytime. I'll have my AR on my back and my glock on my side. I'll keep the INGO stuff at home if that's the wishes of the forum and dress nice for the event. I won't say much as there's not much OCing a rifle and pistol isn't going to say by itself.

 

[Clay]

I think its awesome he is exercising his 2A rights, but one thing concerns me....... he has the AR strapped on his back, very exposed to any idiot who wants to come up and do what ever. Granted, I wouldnt want it in the front to give the SS any reason to try and grind his face into the curb!

 

[SavageEagle]

I think its awesome he is exercising his 2A rights, but one thing concerns me....... he has the AR strapped on his back, very exposed to any idiot who wants to come up and do what ever. Granted, I wouldnt want it in the front to give the SS any reason to try and grind his face into the curb!

Why should it matter front or back? If he'd had a single or three point sling, then what?

 

[alfahornet]

Unfortunately I am afraid these actions lead to a new ban. Simply because you can, does not mean you always should. No problem with the fellows action, just stating this is the kind of action that leads to tighter control in the end because you can't take a chance.

 

[Clay]

Why should it matter front or back? If he'd had a single or three point sling, then what?

Why should it matter? it shouldn't.

Im sure people will look at the rifle at his back and think "well, at least he cant get to it as easy". At the front, I would think people would find it even more intimidating.

 

[SavageEagle]

Unfortunately I am afraid these actions lead to a new ban. Simply because you can, does not mean you always should. No problem with the fellows action, just stating this is the kind of action that leads to tighter control in the end because you can't take a chance.

They can't pass it if there's an uproar from even a fraction of the 80-100 million gun owners in this Country. You seen what a couple hundred thousand or less speaking out against health care is doing.

 

[BloodEclipse]

My only concern, is could this backfire? Could this add ammunition to stricter gun laws? I can just see it now..."See how easily these people can just roam in public with -ghasp- fully loaded weapons? Think about the children!!!"

On the other hand, could this sway some fence sitters to see that guns are not inherintly evil, and just don't go killing people any time they are in public.

I think maybe you will have gunowners who only EVER carried CC flirt with the idea of OC more.
I think the public seeing ordinary Americans carrying everyday is a positive.
How many of your coworkers and people that you met have no idea what gun laws are here in Indiana?
Heck many of them are gunowners themselves.
Funny thing happens to many people, when they learn about a right, they become curious about others they have as well and you end up with a well informed and concerned "CITIZEN".
To me that works out to a major plus for our Country.

 

[BloodEclipse]

Unfortunately I am afraid these actions lead to a new ban. Simply because you can, does not mean you always should. No problem with the fellows action, just stating this is the kind of action that leads to tighter control in the end because you can't take a chance.

Ok here we go again with the "Don't exercise your right because you might lose it."
I would argue as I posted above that this is a good thing that can lead to even better things for all of us.

 

[El Cazador]

I swear the parallels between the gun community of today and the gay community of the 70's is just striking. Every gun owner is coming out of the closet, saying "I'm here and I've got a bandolier!" or "You're disarmed and I'm alarmed!" or "Here I am with a spam can!"

You get the point. And it will go about as well with the press as it did back in the 70's. Just probably with a more hand wringing.

Funny. Very Funny.

[/threadjack]

You could not ask for better representative, even if he could have a nicer sling.

OK now, fess up. How long did you sit there and think to come up with those slogans?

I think you're stretching it to compare this to the original gay pride rallies of the late 70's. This feller in the video doesn't look like he was even born until the 80's, so he's not "coming out of the closet", he was never part of the generation who thought they had to hide their guns (or their love of Liberace and Judy Garland). He looks to be around the same age as my kids, and their generation never worried about hiding things. They were all about being darn near right in your face about it.

 

[techres]

OK now, fess up. How long did you sit there and think to come up with those slogans?

I used a rhyming dictionary. Wife pointed me to it to get me to stop bugging her for good rhymes.

I think you're stretching it to compare this to the original gay pride rallies of the late 70's. This feller in the video doesn't look like he was even born until the 80's, so he's not "coming out of the closet", he was never part of the generation who thought they had to hide their guns (or their love of Liberace and Judy Garland). He looks to be around the same age as my kids, and their generation never worried about hiding things. They were all about being darn near right in your face about it.

True, the current generation has no working concept of shame and that is usually a problem. At the same time, I think the parrallel work in that we are divided as a community about how we should move forward with one group saying visibility is the way and the other saying that visibility of some of our community will not help us at all.

And for those visibility folks, the ones who say "Get out there and show the others just how normal we are", the whole thing just seems like a "get out of the closet campaign complete with calls for gun owner pride parades.

And right behind them are the other gun owners worried that such a parade would only worsen the deal as some in our community might embarrass us or completely fulfill the stereotypes that the others have of us. The invisible ones would rather we not be open carry, or if we do, make it our select best and not all of us.

These are all things, as I understand, that are parallels and in the end some decided to go ahead, get out there, and not hide what was important to them any longer. Just like some people here. We have members in this thread who are uncomfortable with any guns at protests, others who love it when a select best do it - but are certain some yahoo will only put a round in his own foot on TV (or worse) and others who say the only way is if we all get out there and stop being so afraid of what and who we are (SE, I would guess you are in the "stop being chicken" crowd here).

Yep, I see parrallels. Now, I am saying that based on history I have read. I am not gay, and I am too young to remember the 70's well. But based on the history I have gotten from a variety of sources, it screams of parallels.

And, I totally see this ending in a gun owner pride parade that I would not be likely to attend. At least not the first few times.

Take it for what it's worth.

 

[ATM]

I hate the analogy. The parallel, fitting, aptness of it all.

Darn shame we don't have more sitcoms with witty, humorous gun-carrying characters to help win over the couch-abiding media-fed public.

 

[techres]

I hate the analogy. The parallel, fitting, aptness of it all.

Darn shame we don't have more sitcoms with witty, humorous gun-carrying characters to help win over the couch-abiding media-fed public.

Oh, nothing breaks up working second shift than an INGO related coke/keyboard laughter failure!

I can think of famous actors to cast as board members already. But it would have to be a sitcom, not "reality TV" show...

 

[SavageEagle]

I used a rhyming dictionary. Wife pointed me to it to get me to stop bugging her for good rhymes.



True, the current generation has no working concept of shame and that is usually a problem. At the same time, I think the parrallel work in that we are divided as a community about how we should move forward with one group saying visibility is the way and the other saying that visibility of some of our community will not help us at all.

And for those visibility folks, the ones who say "Get out there and show the others just how normal we are", the whole thing just seems like a "get out of the closet campaign complete with calls for gun owner pride parades.

And right behind them are the other gun owners worried that such a parade would only worsen the deal as some in our community might embarrass us or completely fulfill the stereotypes that the others have of us. The invisible ones would rather we not be open carry, or if we do, make it our select best and not all of us.

These are all things, as I understand, that are parallels and in the end some decided to go ahead, get out there, and not hide what was important to them any longer. Just like some people here. We have members in this thread who are uncomfortable with any guns at protests, others who love it when a select best do it - but are certain some yahoo will only put a round in his own foot on TV (or worse) and others who say the only way is if we all get out there and stop being so afraid of what and who we are (SE, I would guess you are in the "stop being chicken" crowd here).

Yep, I see parrallels. Now, I am saying that based on history I have read. I am not gay, and I am too young to remember the 70's well. But based on the history I have gotten from a variety of sources, it screams of parallels.

And, I totally see this ending in a gun owner pride parade that I would not be likely to attend. At least not the first few times.

Take it for what it's worth.

I understand what you're saying. I'm definately a "stop being chicken" kinda guy. But if we continue to sit back and write letters about how we don't want our rights taken away, well, you see how well that's been going. It's time we try something different. We have to. Soon we won't have a choice.

I understand there are those who would rather not advertise their arms. Understandable. If I had a small armory in my basement (think "Tremors") I wouldn't want everyone to know either. But I'm not saying all gun owners should attend such events. It would be nice, but unrealistic. Just as all those opposed to big government didn't attend the Tea Parties. But as I said before, even if 2-5-10% of gun owners started taking an initiative here, you'd see more people "come out of the closet".

Parralell it with Gay Pride, the Tea Parties, what have you. It's worked for them, it WILL work for us. You don't hear about the gays worrying if some nut job (pardon the pun) drops trou in the middle of the crowd, or the TEA Party Patriots worrying about someone running around screaming "**** YOU IDIOTS!" blah blah blah. Yes, the Tea Parties had security. Why is this not a viable solution to Gun Rights Marches?

The assault on Gun Owners is coming. It's coming soon and unexpectedly, just as Healthcare did. If we don't nip it in the bud, it's gonna be too late. Unlike healthcare, they already have the plans and support necessary to pass just about anything they want. You name it. Micro stamping, ammo restrictions, carry restrictions, on and on.

For all those who would rather not attend period, or would rather sit at home and call and write letters/emails.... If the government was about to take away your driving privledges, would you sit at home and still make phone calls and the like or would you get out there and let them and the people know how you feel and what's really going on?

I would hope you'd get out there and really make a difference. Phone calls and letters do not work. They can ignore them. They can't ignore a million screaming pissed off patriots telling them :fawk:!!!

Ok. I'm rambling. Most of you have made up your mind what side of the line you stand on. There's nothing I can say that will change your mind. Only actions might thrust you into action.

Lets do this. Lets pick a weekend and host an OC march. Pick a central city, get a pre-meeting set up, pick some select "security" people, a spokesman if need be, and talking points for those we encounter. We'll need printed copies of the carry laws and everyone will need to have a carry license if you will OC a pistol and it'll have to be shown ahead of time. Also, buisness casual or street casual clothing. No "Death to Socialism" or Muh Truck is better than your electric scooter" shirts. No signs. Maybe some flags.

Cmon guys. PM me if you want to do this and we'll do it. Even if it's only a handful of us at a time.