Brace Ban

[bwframe]

Mostly coming from a message from prince law. There are numerous posts from reliable sources. Like I said you won't get an official notice until the rule has been changed a la bumpstock change. Comments will go unheard during the comment period, again. There was/are currently political groups polling to see if they have support through multiple social media outlets. We need to lock step.

And BTW the "never Trump" and "never nra" as you like to refer to us are all people who have been betrayed by both. There is zero excuse for the nra's actions pre and post Northgate /boardgate. They have proven that they are complicit and willing participants in gun control measures that infringe on our 2a. Trump is openly tweeting about using red flag laws against people who don't agree with him. These are enemies to your freedom and saying seems would do more isn't the point. We are Americans, free peoples, and we need to quit being cucked by this imaginary power these people think they have.

Right.

Why would we just believe folks with a post record of going out of their way to complain about the president and NRA?

Like I asked, links?

 

[Sigblitz]

Agreed. Mine said the moon landing was real.

News. World news, Nightline, 20/20. When it got in the book a few years later, it's not what happened.

 

[Jludo]

I like some of the things the libertarian party stands for, but they have zero chance of ever getting in as a party. Ive always thought they would do much better as a "faction" of the republican party, kind of like the democratic socialists have done with the democratic party. If we have evn a small chance to turn things around, it will be slow steps like that. Eventually the SCOTUS is going to have to rule definitively on the 2A.

They've tried being a faction but the GOP in the last few years has become more rigid-top down-no tolerance for dissent.
The GOP used to just put up with the loveable loon Ron Paul, current GOP essentially forced Justin Amash out of the party.

 

[Ggreen]

Right.

Why would we just believe folks with a post record of going out of their way to complain about the president and NRA?

Like I asked, links?

Well every post I've made recently against the nra and president has been justified and proven, sorry if it hurts your pride to admit we've been duped by a liberal and a greedy "non profit ". I posted the screen grab of the prince post. These take place mostly in private groups so links will not work. Any official statement will be too late.

I never said anything against Trump until he lead the charge to ban bumpstocks. Then spoke against suppressors, now national red flag laws and joking about using them as a weapon to silence political opposition. The nra has been complicit with him all the way. There is a reason the board is jumping ship.

 

[churchmouse]

I like some of the things the libertarian party stands for, but they have zero chance of ever getting in as a party. Ive always thought they would do much better as a "faction" of the republican party, kind of like the democratic socialists have done with the democratic party. If we have evn a small chance to turn things around, it will be slow steps like that. Eventually the SCOTUS is going to have to rule definitively on the 2A.

I have some story's about the local Libertarian party from a few years ago. Not really wanting to share in open forum but no, they are not for me.

 

[Ziggidy]

Well every post I've made recently against the nra and president has been justified and proven, sorry if it hurts your pride to admit we've been duped by a liberal and a greedy "non profit ". I posted the screen grab of the prince post. These take place mostly in private groups so links will not work. Any official statement will be too late.

I never said anything against Trump until he lead the charge to ban bumpstocks. Then spoke against suppressors, now national red flag laws and joking about using them as a weapon to silence political opposition. The nra has been complicit with him all the way. There is a reason the board is jumping ship.

Jumping ship and doing what? I am not sure I understand that completely. I might agree with you on both accounts but to jump ship in order to do what? Take your support "away" from Trump and the NRA and place it where?

The point I am making is that we are up against allot more than just bumpstocks and red flags. We may be able to recover from that in the near future; however, allow the socialists to get fully into power has worse consequences than bumpstocks......and we might not recover from the socialist power.

If I understand everyone completely., there is a large number of people who will not vote (support) Trump in 2020 because of the bumpstock ban? And in doing so, people know very well that increases the possibility of a major loss to socialism? Am I getting that correctly? If so, people need look at the bigger picture.

 

[churchmouse]

Jumping ship and doing what? I am not sure I understand that completely. I might agree with you on both accounts but to jump ship in order to do what? Take your support "away" from Trump and the NRA and place it where?

The point I am making is that we are up against allot more than just bumpstocks and red flags. We may be able to recover from that in the near future; however, allow the socialists to get fully into power has worse consequences than bumpstocks......and we might not recover from the socialist power.

If I understand everyone completely., there is a large number of people who will not vote (support) Trump in 2020 because of the bumpstock ban? And in doing so, people know very well that increases the possibility of a major loss to socialism? Am I getting that correctly? If so, people need look at the bigger picture.

If you are "Jumping Ship" over the bumpstock thing then we are seriously in trouble. I had one. Never used it. Cut it up and tossed the pieces. Period. Move on. Bigger fish in a much bigger pond.
I know I know and yes I do know.
For cripe sakes people. If I had that mentality about life I would never make it through a day dealing with the world.

 

[Jludo]

If you are "Jumping Ship" over the bumpstock thing then we are seriously in trouble. I had one. Never used it. Cut it up and tossed the pieces. Period. Move on. Bigger fish in a much bigger pond.
I know I know and yes I do know.
For cripe sakes people. If I had that mentality about life I would never make it through a day dealing with the world.

A LOT of people do have that 'not one inch' mentality in the gun community though.

 

[Ggreen]

I will never vote for a gun control candidate. Trump is AS BAD for the constitution as any Democrat, maybe because he has been a Democrat his entire life. He is a complete degenerate scum bag as a human being and businessman anyone still blind thinking he is the lessor of two evils is blind to just how evil he is. Or more likely too proud to admit to being duped. Obama never came close to trumps accomplishments on gun control, and so called 2a supporters are loving when daddy trump does it. It's baffling.

The nra has lost most of its board in the aftermath of the bumpstock ban. Millennial gun owners are not putting up with its complicit and complementary gun control behavior. It will die with the baby boomers if wlp doesn't take it serious and resign allowing to organization to align with the wants of the demographic with fresh money and non fixed incomes.

Back on topic. Not another inch.

 

[Ziggidy]

And our children and grandchildren will suffer. If and when the time comes (and I hope it doesn't) I will point my finger at the cause.

 

[gmcttr]

...Not another inch.

While Trump has taken a few inches, the socialists will take 5 miles of your 2A rights along with the rest of the constitution. I believe you have a very short sighted viewpoint and my grandchildren will be the ones with the greater suffering for it.

It will be a true miracle if this country can avoid the downfall that every other "great society" in history has suffered. I truly believe that it is already too late and the USA will suffer the same fate. All we can do is slow it down as I don't see an armed insurrection ever happening that will take us back to the Constitution and the true intent of the founding fathers to have a country with a limited government serving the people.

 

[JettaKnight]

A LOT of people do have that 'not one inch' mentality in the gun community though.

And a lot of people will sit at home on election day and have the decision made by others.



But hey, they'll have their pride (and righteous indignation), if not their guns.

 

[Ziggidy]

I am beginning to believe that the pro 2A who will not vote for Trump are actually looking for some kind of fight; I am not. If the socialists get in, they WILL come after our guns and I would not be surprised if it became a bit bloody. There is a possibility, with the right decision and support, we can slow that movement and possibly (slowly) begin to turn things around.

The attitude of "not one inch" will have a negative impact on all of us, our children and grandchildren.

 

[churchmouse]

OK. Here we go.

I refuse to budge as well but this is not in my hands.
I also agree we are on the backside sliding towards the brink from what this country once was. Truth here.
I saw up thread a mention of the news cycle being so different now and the lies were easier to keep on the down low back in the day. Well yes it has changed but the lies are much much bigger now and more in your face. People do not call them out for fear of being branded.
Socialism has been deeply injected into our society. Hell most of my nieces/nephews are Bernie butt kissers. And most are gun owners that I have trained to shoot.

One of the great things about this country is we all have the right to use our votes as we see fit. Use them loose them waste them. Your call. I am very disappointing in the "R"S as they for the most part no longer represent conservatism.
But I absolutely refuse to vote for any of those idiots jumping up and down selling snake oil on the left.

 

[churchmouse]

I am beginning to believe that the pro 2A who will not vote for Trump are actually looking for some kind of fight; I am not. If the socialists get in, they WILL come after our guns and I would not be surprised if it became a bit bloody. There is a possibility, with the right decision and support, we can slow that movement and possibly (slowly) begin to turn things around.

The attitude of "not one inch" will have a negative impact on all of us, our children and grandchildren.

Truth here.

 

[Ggreen]

Rights are rights. Anyone willing to take them away is a tyrant. It's un-American to vote in oppression. It's damaging to our children to have them grow up thinking they are helpless servants to a 2 party system waging an unending war for oil. That's why we can't keep rewarding bad behavior with reelection based on a letter before a name. With these attitudes we'd still be paying the crown taxes on our tea.

 

[churchmouse]

Rights are rights. Anyone willing to take them away is a tyrant. It's un-American to vote in oppression. It's damaging to our children to have them grow up thinking they are helpless servants to a 2 party system waging an unending war for oil. That's why we can't keep rewarding bad behavior with reelection based on a letter before a name. With these attitudes we'd still be paying the crown taxes on our tea.

I agree.
No arguments here....."BUT"

What is your alternative. A real option. I am all eyes. (can not here you type...)

 

[Ziggidy]

I agree.
No arguments here....."BUT"

What is your alternative. A real option. I am all eyes. (can not here you type...)

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I do believe I could narrow it down a bit.

They refuse to vote for Trump.
Certainly will not vote for the socialist.
May vote 3rd party if a Lib could be found.

End result is all the same - immediate gun control like we have not seen before. Very good possibility of violence and bloodshed. It will be ugly and detrimental to the rest of America. The division and weakening of this country will monitored closely by our "other" enemies (Russia, China, Iran....) with the strong possibility of further infiltrate.

Our country will be changed forever. Our children will suffer, our grandchildren will suffer and all with ask why didn't we try everything when we could.

The Pro2A who refused to support Trump will be frowned upon. As they reminisce about the days they were able to own guns they will blame Trump for everything because he banned bumpstocks!

 

[Ggreen]

You can't keep giving treats to a dog that poops on your floor. Vote 3rd party, give money to goa lawyers and watch the politicians squirm

 

[KJQ6945]

Rights are rights. Anyone willing to take them away is a tyrant. It's un-American to vote in oppression. It's damaging to our children to have them grow up thinking they are helpless servants to a 2 party system waging an unending war for oil. That's why we can't keep rewarding bad behavior with reelection based on a letter before a name. With these attitudes we'd still be paying the crown taxes on our tea.

Trump, or worse yet, a full on socialist, will be elected president of our nation in 2020. I'm betting you'll ***** louder then, right?