Birth Control

[Davegrave]

I'm almost always against government funded ANYTHING that isn't education, defense, or infrastructure.

But I'd Vote 1000 times, "chicago style" in favor of free sterilization for anyone that wanted it. No questions asked. Just clinics in every city where you could walk in and walk out "fixed". The return on the investment would be 10000 fold.

Unfortunately the people that would opt for it aren't the ones who would need it most.

 

[melensdad]

msnbc.com health - Do you think birth control should be covered for free?

Insurers to cover birth control with no copays - Health - Health care - msnbc.com

The coverage is not "FREE"

The President issued an order saying that insurers MUST provide birth control as part of their policies. He also ordered that insurers MUST provide the service WITHOUT a Co-Payment.

Insurance companies have already responded by saying they will raise the MONTHLY PREMIUM to ALL insured people (men/women/children) to cover these new added costs. So they will "provide" the service without the co-payment at the pharmacy but they increase your rates, my rates, our grandparents rates, and our kids rates every month.

Free. Sure it is.

I'm almost always against government funded ANYTHING that isn't education, defense, or infrastructure.

This is NOT funded by the government. This is a mandate to PRIVATE insurance companies that requires YOU to pay for coverage, whether you need it or not, for something you may never use.

The sad part of this whole thing is "nothing is free"...Just another tax will be put on us to cover this new feature.

I have no problem footing the bill through my tax dollars to sterilize about 90% of the people I see each day. . .

I would rather see tax dollars pay for birth control than abortions so yes , I would support it.

Again, NO TAX DOLLARS are used. Your rates will go up. YOU are paying for this directly if you have insurance. This is NOT a government program.

 

[Davegrave]

This is NOT funded by the government. This is a mandate to PRIVATE insurance companies that requires YOU to pay for coverage, whether you need it or not, for something you may never use.

I know. I guess I was making a separate point entirely. But I stand by what I said!

And as for the thread you intended...I disagree with the government telling a private business how to run itself with the exception of enforcing rules to block monopolistic practices.
This, restaurant smoking bans, I hate it all.

 

[patience0830]

free and mandatory drug tests. . . .

and sterilization for able bodied welfare recipients. Do drugs- don't get no mo money. EVER! Make one baby and can't support YOURSELF? No MO BABIES! If you can't contribute in some fashion that society believes to be a REAL contribution no mo dough. Your royal presence does NOT qualify.
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Originally Posted by gunman41mag
Hell if there is BIRTH CONTROL, then there will be NO WELFARE

Incorrect....

If there is NO WELFARE, then there will be BIRTH CONTROL...


Just sayin'

You said a mouthful right there.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

patience -

Here's what I meant. I am against forcing people to use birth control. That is "initiating force". BUT (_very important_) I am against subsidizing people to have kids based on the government dole... We all agree that the current welfare system actually encourages folks on the dole to have more kids, RIGHT??? So my point was - take away the perverse incentive, and the problem will decrease. People will exercise birth control of their own volition. No force required!

If you still disagree with my point, sir, then fair enough. I just wanted to make sure that it was properly explained and understood.

Your mad icon could have meant that you , like me, are upset with the situation - if that's true then heck, we agree and all is good!

 

[BigMatt]

We are practicing eugenics. in reverse. As a whole, we are breeding for dumb, irresponsible, and america hating children.

You freedom loving responsible citizens out there have a DUTY to out reproduce the competition. I'm gonna get started right now....

Have you ever seen "Idiocracy"? It is a terrible movie, but it is based on this theory.

 

[tgallmey]

well I like birth control because pull and pray is not as effective and if its not as effective (ive had a few scares and one lying b****) then I would have a kid and wouldnt be able to buy as many guns like I enjoy doing

 

[NYFelon]

Have you ever seen "Idiocracy"? It is a terrible movie, but it is based on this theory.

I loved idiocracy. It's practically a documentary.

 

[strahd71]

i realize the government isnt funding this, and i also realize that it isnt the governments job to fund this, but in the scheme of the things at least funding this would make a lot more sense than some of the other things they fund like i dunno the U.N.? i would much rather see them fund birth control than the U.N.

jake

 

[rambone]

Or how about this. If you are on welfare you must be on birth control until you can afford to take care of your own.

My point being that if you are stealing money from someone else to pay your bills you should lose some rights.

I use this phrase that I coined from time to time. It applies here.

You cannot fix Socialism by instituting Fascism.

If welfare is a problem, work on getting rid of it. Don't let the government branch into eugenics and sterilization. Again.

 

[45pro]

Its not about people not being able to afford birth control. Its about these young kids having sex and not being able to use sufficient birth control because you need a prescription for it. Make it so it is over the counter where everyone can get it. I'm not saying its right for 15-17year olds to be having sex but, its impossible to stop them. I say make it easier to get so we dont have so many young girls getting pregnant. Birth control is cheap, ($9.00) at walmart pharmacy.

a young girl wont go to the doctor with her mom and get a prescription for birth control, especially if the mother has no idea she is having sex, which is often the case. So that kinda throws the whole birth control thing out the window, as far as they are concerned.

Even condoms can be hard to get at some places. Some places they are locked behind a glass door and you have to ask for them and be a certain age to buy them.

 

[04DarkShadowGT]

Its not about people not being able to afford birth control. Its about these young kids having sex and not being able to use sufficient birth control because you need a prescription for it. Make it so it is over the counter where everyone can get it. I'm not saying its right for 15-17year olds to be having sex but, its impossible to stop them. I say make it easier to get so we dont have so many young girls getting pregnant. Birth control is cheap, ($9.00) at walmart pharmacy.

a young girl wont go to the doctor with her mom and get a prescription for birth control, especially if the mother has no idea she is having sex, which is often the case. So that kinda throws the whole birth control thing out the window, as far as they are concerned.

Even condoms can be hard to get at some places. Some places they are locked behind a glass door and you have to ask for them and be a certain age to buy them.

If I had a teenage daughter, she would be on birth control. Its just not worth the risk.

I am all for programs that are fiscally responsible. I would rather pay some up front than having to pay more over the next couple decades and beyond.

Then again I dont judge those who have abortions either. We are already over populated and have an abundance of unwanted children, I see no point in adding more to either.

 

[Benny]

Free? I think it should be mandatory for some.

When more kids =/= more welfare, I'll change my mind.

 

[lrahm]

NO, parents should pay for it. We have too many social services that the taxpayers pay for. At least if my tax dollar is paying for welfare programs I feel that the parent(s) should take a little time raising their daughter(s). If they are on welfare they should be trying to teach their children how to bring themselves out of the depths of counting on the federal government to take care of them. But in reality most are showing how to take advantage of the system. You have generations of families in this same environment. When or who is going to break the cycle of the learned trait.

 

[Benny]

NO, parents shout pay for it. We have too many social services that the taxpayers pay for. At least if my tax dollar is paying for welfare programs I feel that the parent(s) should take a little time raising their daughter(s). If they are on welfare they should be trying to teach their children how to bring themselves out of the depths of counting on the federal government to take care of them. But in reality most are showing how to take advantage of the system. You have generations of families in this same environment. When or who is going to break the cycle of the learned trait.

All jokes aside, I agree with this...I'd be fine with them selling it at cost though. That would make it basically free/affordable for pretty much anyone who needs it. No one can deny it would save tax payers a LOT of money(so would giving it away though).

 

[lrahm]

All jokes aside, I agree with this...I'd be fine with them selling it at cost though. That would make it basically free/affordable for pretty much anyone who needs it. No one can deny it would save tax payers a LOT of money(so would giving it away though).

I agree with you, it will save tax payers money. Are we talking about a free health care program for everyone? Or, are we talking about those who can't afford it?

Maybe it was a tender subject for me but I personally feel that the people who need should get it. Then there are the people who feel that they are entitiled to it. We have allowed too many people a free ride for too long. I think welfare entitilements should be given to those who need it and the others should be allowed it for a given period of time. There are too many abusers to it.

 

[dukeboy_318]

This order goes in the pile of evidence to those who still do not believe Obama wants to socialize everything in this country. I hope and pray he does not get re-elected.


Now, with that said, I agree with the idea of making Birth control over the counter just like they did with the plan B drug but make it affordable and available at most pharmacies. I think there is enough evidence of the risk/benefits of B/C drugs to release the ones that appear to be the safest and let people be responsible for their own actions, wait that wont ever happen on a grand scale.

 

[dukeboy_318]

This order goes in the pile of evidence to those who still do not believe Obama wants to socialize everything in this country. I hope and pray he does not get re-elected.


Now, with that said, I agree with the idea of making Birth control over the counter just like they did with the plan B drug but make it affordable and available at most pharmacies. I think there is enough evidence of the risk/benefits of B/C drugs to release the ones that appear to be the safest and let people be responsible for their own actions, wait that wont ever happen on a grand scale.

 

[dhnorris]

When my insurance pan had to cover up to age 27 my insurance went from $900 a month to $1064 a month, maybe we can just make it an even $1100. Worst president ever. I'm working myself to death to pay for all of this crap.

 

[ATOMonkey]

What I find funny, is that you guys actually believe people will take the pill, and in an effective manner. Birth control, THROUGH THE MANUFACTURER, is $15 a month. Cost is not the biggest issue here.

Irresponsible people do irresponsible things. They won't go get the free pills, and they sure as **** won't remember to take them every day. The only thing this will do is increase the cost of birth control for the people already responsible enough to take it.

ALSO!!! All these welfare mommas, or cash cows as I like to call them, have no interest in not being pregnant.