Better look at UC Davis pepper spray incident.

[PaulF]

To the point however.
The "radicals" that you speak of were NOT Liberals.
They were hard core, dyed in the wool, kiss my *ss Conservatives.

Actually, in those circumstances, the 'Conservatives' were the loyal followers of the English Crown. Our founding fathers were, by definition, liberals.

 

[cobber]

Actually, in those circumstances, the 'Conservatives' were the loyal followers of the English Crown. Our founding fathers were, by definition, liberals.

You're gonna lose PC points on that "founding fathers" quip. Glorias Allred and Steinem have been informed.

Actually the Founders were wild-eyed armed Revolutionaries. Which is hardly the same thing.

Many liberals today seem to be all for Big Intrusive Government, like King George III or Big Brother BHO or the UN Gen. Sec.

If we had had Sarah Brady, just sayin', back in 1775 I'm not quite sure what we would have fought the British with. Rocks and sharp sticks?

Somehow I don't think that's what the Founders had in mind for America.

My two shillings' worth.

 

[UncleMike]

Actually, in those circumstances, the 'Conservatives' were the loyal followers of the English Crown. Our founding fathers were, by definition, liberals.

Liberalism isn't defined as being anti establishment.
It's defined as; "A philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities."
In plain language; "Take from the haves, and give to the have nots."
That hardly defines the Founding Fathers.
Also;
Many Conservatives are "Anti Establishment" when it comes to "The Liberal Establishment" trying to take away their rights to own tools for self defense.

 

[PaulF]

Liberalism isn't defined as being anti establishment.
It's defined as; "A philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities."
In plain language; "Take from the haves, and give to the have nots."
That hardly defines the Founding Fathers.
Also;
Many Conservatives are "Anti Establishment" when it comes to "The Liberal Establishment" trying to take away their rights to own tools for self defense.

'Defined', Huh?

Uh, Nope...
From Wiki:
"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] "

From Dictionary.com
"a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

From Brittanica:
"liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others; but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that ... (100 of 8198 words)"

Try again!

Your founding fathers were liberals...

 

[eatsnopaste]

Is your stance that because they we're "peaceful," no "violence" should have been used? And if so, are there limits to how long one stays "non0violent," in the face of peaceful opposition?

So sometimes you have to pepper spray the protesters in order to save them...now I see.

 

[eatsnopaste]

First, thanks Denny for the post!!

Second;
People here seem to be arguing with someone who has been a member for over two and a half years, and has a grand total of sixty five posts in all that time.
I suspect either a Liberal implant or a common pot stirrer.
Just my

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[UncleMike]

'Defined', Huh?

Uh, Nope...
From Wiki:
"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] "

From Dictionary.com
"a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

From Brittanica:
"liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others; but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that ... (100 of 8198 words)"

Try again!

Your founding fathers were liberals...

Mine's from Websters!!

 

[PaulF]

Oh...well. I guess you got me.

 

[J_Wales]

'Defined', Huh?

Uh, Nope...
From Wiki:
"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.[3][4][5][6][7] "

From Dictionary.com
"a political or social philosophy advocating the freedom of the individual, parliamentary systems of government, nonviolent modification of political, social, or economic institutions to assure unrestricted development in all spheres of human endeavor, and governmental guarantees of individual rights and civil liberties."

From Brittanica:
"liberalism, political doctrine that takes protecting and enhancing the freedom of the individual to be the central problem of politics. Liberals typically believe that government is necessary to protect individuals from being harmed by others; but they also recognize that government itself can pose a threat to liberty. As the revolutionary American pamphleteer Thomas Paine expressed it in Common Sense (1776), government is at best “a necessary evil.” Laws, judges, and police are needed to secure the individual’s life and liberty, but their coercive power may also be turned against him. The problem, then, is to devise a system that ... (100 of 8198 words)"

Try again!

Your founding fathers were liberals...

You may well be confusing Classical Liberalism with the modern bastardization of the idea.

Modern libaralism is a far cry from Classical Liberalism. What today is termed Libertarianism would be the closest thing to Classical Liberalism. Modern liberalism is anything but.

Good luck to you. I wish you well.

 

[PaulF]

You may well be confusing Classical Liberalism with the modern bastardization of the idea.

Modern libaralism is a far cry from Classical Liberalism. What today is termed Libertarianism would be the closest thing to Classical Liberalism. Modern liberalism is anything but.

Good luck to you. I wish you well.

Thank you...

Perhaps I choose to define myself as a classical Liberal, and not to identify with the modern political 'conservative' or 'Liberal' archetype. I, personally, do not find much value in our current political scheme.

That was my whole point on this little tangent. People are not stereotypes. Not even liberals.

 

[UncleMike]

You may well be confusing Classical Liberalism with the modern bastardization of the idea.

Modern libaralism is a far cry from Classical Liberalism. What today is termed Libertarianism would be the closest thing to Classical Liberalism. Modern liberalism is anything but.

Good luck to you. I wish you well.

We have a winner!!!
And that is a classic error on the part of many of todays "Liberals".
They confuse the moniker "Liberal" for their brand of "Take from the rich and give to the poor" stupidity that is a primary cause for the Worlds economic problems at the moment.
They would more aptly be called "Thieves" and would have been shunned, at the least, by our nations Founders, or more likely tared and feathered for such idiocy.

 

[indianajoe]

This makes the incident a bit more clear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhPdH3wE0_Y&sns=fb

Thanks, Denny, for this clip that puts the incident in its context. Looked to me like a threatening mob.

 

[UncleMike]

Thanks, Denny, for this clip that puts the incident in its context. Looked to me like a threatening mob.

^^^^^^^^^^This again^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And my apologies to Denny for hijacking his thread.

 

[steveh_131]

I'm just gonna leave this here

 

[Dead Duck]

I'm just gonna leave this here

And your point?

Looks like God and everyone else was on the Cops side during the Public Peppering.
I still would have kicked the little Snot, too.

 

[J_Wales]

I'm just gonna leave this here

Save for the fact that Christ was not a socialist.

I have yet to find a single reference where Christ advocated using the force of government to take from some to give to others as the "ows protestors" do.

They are useful idiots for Marxist pigs and nothing more.

 

[jd4320t]

and there it is

 

[UncleMike]

Save for the fact that Christ was not a socialist.

I have yet to find a single reference where Christ advocated using the force of government to take from some to give to others as the "ows protestors" do.

They are useful idiots for Marxist pigs and nothing more.

^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Project972]

There you go again, picking leos.

 

[steveh_131]

are you guys trying to tell me that my meme poster is not factually accurate?

this cannot be true