As Bachmann's Star Rises, So Do The Media Attacks

[Garb]

Don't forget about the frontrunner, both in polls and cash, Mitt. Mitt Romney may very well be the Republican nomination for president. Of course, some think the winner hasn't entered the race yet. Which also means he is far behind on cash.

So? Mitt is a liar and a thief of liberty just like the other candidates.

 

[Garb]

Then you have done nothing to help solve the problems we face. You have simply chosen to not participate. How does "none of the above" help solve anything? The fact you choose none of the above has zero effect on anyone in Washington. They could care less you choose to vote that way, and they care even less about your values. They could care less if ten million people voted that way. They would prefer none of us participated anyhow. Damned ignorant masses anyway, don't they know what's good for them?

Sometimes... sometimes one has to compromise, and take what they can REALISTICLY get, and build on that.

So when the only "realistic" candidates are fascists, we should choose one and hope they keep the promises we wanted them too. Let me know how that goes for you.

 

[level.eleven]

So? Mitt is a liar and a thief of liberty just like the other candidates.

I was just pointing out that MJ left him off the list.

 

[mrjarrell]

Don't forget about the frontrunner, both in polls and cash, Mitt. Mitt Romney may very well be the Republican nomination for president. Of course, some think the winner hasn't entered the race yet. Which also means he is far behind on cash.

Yeah, I just forgot to mention the RomneyCare, gun banner front runner. He is the likely candidate, at this point. He will also not be getting a vote from me. He's worse than McCain, and McCain was a nightmare.

 

[Garb]

I was just pointing out that MJ left him off the list.

Oh ok, sometimes I get ahead of myself. Forgive me.

 

[hornadylnl]

My point has always been, you WILL NOT get EVERYTHING you want in a candidate PERIOD. You will NOT with Ron Paul either. IMO you cannot run your life on "all or nothing" in anything, ESPECIALLY politics. Change will come slow, not overnight. That is why my first priority is to get Obama out of the White House. Then keep hammering away at the things we all agree need changed.

Do you actually think the country will be better off with Obama in the White House for another 4 years? I do not.

Do you actually think the country will be better off with (insert your typical establishment republican here) in the White House for another 4 years? I do not.

Let's assume a Repub wins in 2012. Will the debt ceiling be higher or lower in 2016? Will the annual budget deficit be higher or lower in 2016? Will we have more or less liberty in 2016?

You and Dross are making our own best argument. You both seem to agree that those who love liberty in this country make up a small minority. I believe so as well. So how are we going to vote in more liberty? Can you name a single 10 year period since 1789 where we've gained liberty? We've tried the ballot box for over 200 years and it has gotten nothing but worse.

To me, voting for the lesser of two evils is like having a conference with the cancer in your body. Let me keep enough cells to live on and you can have the rest. Socialism is a cancer in our society and we CAN NOT coexist with it. I don't call those who vote me into slavery my fellow countrymen. I don't wish to associate with them in any way.

I prefer a divorce. We can split the nation at the Mississippi and toss a coin to see who gets which side. They can have their socialist utopia and I'll take a huge helping of liberty, please. To believe that we can coexist with these socialists is folly.

I don't foresee any future event that could possibly swing the pendulum enough to make a difference at the ballot box. What could possibly happen to awaken the overwhelming majority of this country who vote to enslave others?

The collapse is coming. We do not have the time or distance to turn the Titanic away from the iceberg. We can play the charade of shuffling the deck chairs if we want. But it won't change the outcome.

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

Voting for a candidate that you do not agree with on many fronts because their opponent is a worse choice exacerbates the problems with our political system.

Voting for someone you do not agree with as much is what makes those you do agree with "unelectable".

I agree that no candidate is going to be perfect, and to a degree you have to choose candidates that can bring about the most, and not all, of what you consider ideal.... It is when many people vote for a different candidate than they truly want to represent them that concerns me...

If all your friends jumped off of a cliff...

 

[level.eleven]

So who should I vote for?

Mitt Romney.

 

[Expat]

I was listening to Col. Allen West on the Mark Levin show a little bit ago. The Democrats and their willing accomplices in the press are now smearing him because he objected to a female Dem Congresswoman (Schultz) continuous attacks on him. So now he is a misogynist. He commented that the libs can not allow successful black or female conservatives as it would show that much of their policies that build dependence of those groups upon government are lies and traps. So we will continue to see the smears on Palin and Bachmann.

 

[Jake46184]

I wouldn't get too worked-up over polls and front-runners this early. They really only exist as a manufactured product of the MSM to give them something to sensationalize to make money. I can't remember the last candidate to actually get the nomination who led in the manufactured polls this early. In 2007, Rudy Giuliani led at this point. The eventual GOP nominee may not yet even be in the list of known candidates. The people who vote in these "polls" are, in reality, mostly politically ignorant. They haven't a clue who the majority of candidates are or their positions. They pick Romney in the poll merely because they recognize the name. It's how Bachmann has moved into 2nd place....they saw her name on TV. Such polling will have some meaning once the 2012 season truly starts this fall.

 

[UncleMike]

I was listening to Col. Allen West on the Mark Levin show a little bit ago. The Democrats and their willing accomplices in the press are now smearing him because he objected to a female Dem Congresswoman (Schultz) continuous attacks on him. So now he is a misogynist. He commented that the libs can not allow successful black or female conservatives as it would show that much of their policies that build dependence of those groups upon government are lies and traps. So we will continue to see the smears on Palin and Bachmann.

And Col. West.
The "Quiet" campaign to run him against Obama has the Dems terrified.

 

[firehawk1]

Do you actually think the country will be better off with (insert your typical establishment republican here) in the White House for another 4 years? I do not.

Let's assume a Repub wins in 2012. Will the debt ceiling be higher or lower in 2016? Will the annual budget deficit be higher or lower in 2016? Will we have more or less liberty in 2016?

You and Dross are making our own best argument. You both seem to agree that those who love liberty in this country make up a small minority. I believe so as well. So how are we going to vote in more liberty? Can you name a single 10 year period since 1789 where we've gained liberty? We've tried the ballot box for over 200 years and it has gotten nothing but worse.

To me, voting for the lesser of two evils is like having a conference with the cancer in your body. Let me keep enough cells to live on and you can have the rest. Socialism is a cancer in our society and we CAN NOT coexist with it. I don't call those who vote me into slavery my fellow countrymen. I don't wish to associate with them in any way.

I prefer a divorce. We can split the nation at the Mississippi and toss a coin to see who gets which side. They can have their socialist utopia and I'll take a huge helping of liberty, please. To believe that we can coexist with these socialists is folly.

I don't foresee any future event that could possibly swing the pendulum enough to make a difference at the ballot box. What could possibly happen to awaken the overwhelming majority of this country who vote to enslave others?

The collapse is coming. We do not have the time or distance to turn the Titanic away from the iceberg. We can play the charade of shuffling the deck chairs if we want. But it won't change the outcome.

Will the debt celing be higher or lower in 2016 if Obama is left in office? Will it be higher or lower if Ron Paul is elected. Answer is HIGHER to both questions. As far as the liberty question, there will be less. One of the reasons is stated in your next to last paragraph.

We cannot go back to 1789. Here's my opinion as to why, no nation that has experienced a major moral decline has EVER been able to recover. That I believe is our major problem as of now. Everything else is just a symptom of that problem. Everyone is all about me, me, me, and not what is good for the country, OR their fellow citizens. And having a strong moral foundation does not mean having to be a Bible thumping christian either, so don't go there.

Splitting the nation in two while it sounds nice would be the demise of both.

Yes the collapse IS coming, I have been saying here quite abit that I feel it is really too late to save the country we all love. I've even taken alot of flak for saying it too. I still believe leaving Obama in office will speed up the impending collapse as that is his intention. IMO in 2012 we need to START putting the brakes on, and hope we still have the time and will to stop it. If Ron Paul does win the nomination I will vote for him, but barring a Hitler or Stalin type winning I will vote to remove Obama from office. And no, NONE of the people running for the Republican nomination are Hitler or Stalin types either. That kind of talk is abit melodramatic don't you think?

 

[IncendiaryGunner]

I think it is important to remember that nobody in politics is immune to criticism - and virtually everyone receives it. When you enter the realm of public campaigning - you know the things you say will be held against you. What would constitute "fair" media? Not criticizing Bachmann, while referring to our current POTUS as "the Messiah"?

I do not like how the focus in the mainstream media seems to gravitate towards character assassinations as opposed to their stance on the issues we consider important. That being said, I think as long as our society accepts that type of coverage - I do not believe that anyone should be immune to that type of criticism because of their gender or race.

While some politicians do seem to take more heat than others - a lot of the time it seems those same people give the mainstream media quite a bit of ammo with their statements. Bachmann does not get criticized more than others because she is a woman or a conservative - she gets criticized more than some because the silly and incorrect/misleading things she says are easily sensationalized to fill air time.

 

[Garb]

Will the debt celing be higher or lower in 2016 if Obama is left in office? Will it be higher or lower if Ron Paul is elected. Answer is HIGHER to both questions. As far as the liberty question, there will be less. One of the reasons is stated in your next to last paragraph.

We cannot go back to 1789. Here's my opinion as to why, no nation that has experienced a major moral decline has EVER been able to recover. That I believe is our major problem as of now. Everything else is just a symptom of that problem. Everyone is all about me, me, me, and not what is good for the country, OR their fellow citizens. And having a strong moral foundation does not mean having to be a Bible thumping christian either, so don't go there.

Splitting the nation in two while it sounds nice would be the demise of both.

Yes the collapse IS coming, I have been saying here quite abit that I feel it is really too late to save the country we all love. I've even taken alot of flak for saying it too. I still believe leaving Obama in office will speed up the impending collapse as that is his intention. IMO in 2012 we need to START putting the brakes on, and hope we still have the time and will to stop it. If Ron Paul does win the nomination I will vote for him, but barring a Hitler or Stalin type winning I will vote to remove Obama from office. And no, NONE of the people running for the Republican nomination are Hitler or Stalin types either. That kind of talk is abit melodramatic don't you think?

I agree with most things you've said here. I don't think Ron Paul winning the presidency will save us. I just can't comprehend voting for someone who I know is lying to me, and who wants to be involved in every aspect of my personal life. And yeah, I guess it is melodramatic to compare any of the Republican candidates to Hitler or Stalin, but most Germans and Russians probably didn't predict that their leaders were going to be psychopathic dictators. I don't put anything past our current batch of politicians.

 

[Expat]

While some politicians do seem to take more heat than others - a lot of the time it seems those same people give the mainstream media quite a bit of ammo with their statements. Bachmann does not get criticized more than others because she is a woman or a conservative - she gets criticized more than some because the silly and incorrect/misleading things she says are easily sensationalized to fill air time.

How do you know this? Because the MSM told you that was the case. That's why.

Anyone that pays attention knows there is a double standard. I don't know if Palin is stupid. The press certainly spins everything to make it seem that way. I don't know if Obama is the brightest President in our time, but the press certainly wants us to believe that.

There are lots of pages dedicated to dumb things Obama has said. I never hear them quoted by the media. They used to make fun of Biden but not so much any more.

 

[UncleMike]

How do you know this? Because the MSM told you that was the case. That's why.

Anyone that pays attention knows there is a double standard. I don't know if Palin is stupid. The press certainly spins everything to make it seem that way. I don't know if Obama is the brightest President in our time, but the press certainly wants us to believe that.

There are lots of pages dedicated to dumb things Obama has said. I never hear them quoted by the media. They used to make fun of Biden but not so much any more.

Yup!!
Freedom of The Press, as envisioned by The founding Fathers, was based on the presumption that the Press would be honest and unbiased.
Unfortunately they are neither now.

 

[Denny347]

I am really enjoying the discussion we are having. Well done people.

 

[Disposable Heart]

As far as Bachmann and Palin go, they're two completely different people with complete different hindrances. But both sound bat****crazy to me.

And they don't need the media to make them look bad when they really are that mashugana.

+1. These vulgarians scare me. Oh sure, Tea Party this and that, until it's something they don't like, then boom, here comes the anti-gay speech and such. These people don't represent me, neither do any of them in Congress now. Everyday, I wake up and feel powerless in the face of tyranny from the current administration and the ala carte society that only the radical arms of both sides of the aisles provide. People such as I, middle of the road, common sense policy types that only want to compromise on the economy, don't buy into religious based "family values" and live responsibly are gone. Just like the middle class, the middle roaders are disappearing in vast numbers, logical folks replaced by zealots.

 

[Disposable Heart]

They used to make fun of Biden but not so much any more.

I miss those days. It's like my generation's Gerald Ford...

 

[firehawk1]

I am really enjoying the discussion we are having. Well done people.

Political discussions/arguments while they remain civil, can be interesting.