Army sergeant convicted of murder; says he shot in self-defense after man aimed AK-47 at him during BLM riot

[jwamplerusa]

What kind of jury convicts a person for this?

The kind which determines guilt based upon your supposed ideology. Generally those come from the communist, leftist, anti-facist scum.

 

[bobzilla]

The kind which determines guilt based upon your supposed ideology. Generally those come from the communist, leftist, anti-facist scum.

I want to argue with you ….. actually no I don’t. You’re 100% correct

 

[45sRfun]

The Indiana governor, on the other hand, appeases burn loot murder thugs.

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Well that is bad news for someone who is considering moving to Indiana. Maybe I need to move to South Dakota after all.

 

[Libertarian01]

I am mixed on this. This IS TEXAS after all... TEXAS!!! They aren't exactly known for being antigun or anti-vigilante. They pretty well believe in one's right to defend themselves. I'd have to see what the jury saw (and didn't see) to render a better response to this event.

However, I do find it ironic that in Texas the governor CANNOT pardon someone, without first asking permission. In almost every other state, if not every other one, the governor has the authority to pardon anyone they determine has received a gross miscarriage of justice. Yet not in Texas. There the governor must grovel to the Pardon board before he can act.

Texans seem to think they're all that, but when you read the fine print, well... They ain't.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Ingomike]

Texans seem to think they're all that, but when you read the fine print, well... They ain't.

This is true more often than I would have expected…

 

[Cameramonkey]

I am mixed on this. This IS TEXAS after all... TEXAS!!! They aren't exactly known for being antigun or anti-vigilante. They pretty well believe in one's right to defend themselves. I'd have to see what the jury saw (and didn't see) to render a better response to this event.

However, I do find it ironic that in Texas the governor CANNOT pardon someone, without first asking permission. In almost every other state, if not every other one, the governor has the authority to pardon anyone they determine has received a gross miscarriage of justice. Yet not in Texas. There the governor must grovel to the Pardon board before he can act.

Texans seem to think they're all that, but when you read the fine print, well... They ain't.

Regards,

Doug

Which seems counterproductive since one of the safeguards in the system should be for a governor to override a corrupt or unreasonable board.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Well that is bad news for someone who is considering moving to Indiana. Maybe I need to move to South Dakota after all.

It’s actually a good place to line. Our gov is only temporary.

 

[KLB]

I am mixed on this. This IS TEXAS after all... TEXAS!!! They aren't exactly known for being antigun or anti-vigilante. They pretty well believe in one's right to defend themselves. I'd have to see what the jury saw (and didn't see) to render a better response to this event.

The liberal cities are really not much different than liberal cities in other states.

 

[DragonGunner]

Well that is bad news for someone who is considering moving to Indiana. Maybe I need to move to South Dakota after all.

Democrat loving Holcomb isn’t a reflection of gun owners or even good people.

 

[DragonGunner]

I am mixed on this. This IS TEXAS after all... TEXAS!!! They aren't exactly known for being antigun or anti-vigilante. They pretty well believe in one's right to defend themselves. I'd have to see what the jury saw (and didn't see) to render a better response to this event.

However, I do find it ironic that in Texas the governor CANNOT pardon someone, without first asking permission. In almost every other state, if not every other one, the governor has the authority to pardon anyone they determine has received a gross miscarriage of justice. Yet not in Texas. There the governor must grovel to the Pardon board before he can act.

Texans seem to think they're all that, but when you read the fine print, well... They ain't.

Regards,

Doug

Texas is slowly going democrat. Every election is closer and closer as more CA liberals move there. The cities are already liberal.

 

[BugI02]

Regardless of other concerns or what happened prior to the crux, people surrounding your vehicle so you are left with no avenue of escape and then a 'protester' approaching your vehicle brandishing an AK at low ready are a clear threat to your life as well as anyone with you. It doesn't matter what condition the weapon was in because the man on the spot has no way to know that, nor does it take that long to charge the weapon

I'd have avoided the whole area, but if it was me in that situation the outcome would be the same

FA&FO

Edit: Good lesson in how a corrupt prosecutor or a plaintiff's attorney will attempt to make a determination for or against simple self defense about anything else that might sway the jury with feelings. Simple truth is if the dude hadn't threatened a stranger with a rifle he would have lived beyond that day

 

[Libertarian01]

The liberal cities are really not much different than liberal cities in other states.

Texas is slowly going democrat. Every election is closer and closer as more CA liberals move there. The cities are already liberal.

I don't disagree 100% with these comments, but I will push back slightly.

Many democrats/liberals living in Texas are way different from others outside their region. Much like a democrat from Kentucky is very different from a democrat from Massachusetts, or an Indiana republican v/s a New York republican.

The south has had (olde people will remember this phrase ) something called "blue steel" democrats. Very liberal on some issues but very pro 2A. They're still around.

I still find it very hard to judge this with much integrity without knowing everything the jury was told, and wasn't told. Stories like this are hard to judge without some bias coming into it, even from witnesses who were there, and especially the accused.

Regards,

Doug

 

[KLB]

I don't disagree 100% with these comments, but I will push back slightly.

Many democrats/liberals living in Texas are way different from others outside their region. Much like a democrat from Kentucky is very different from a democrat from Massachusetts, or an Indiana republican v/s a New York republican.

The south has had (olde people will remember this phrase ) something called "blue steel" democrats. Very liberal on some issues but very pro 2A. They're still around.

I still find it very hard to judge this with much integrity without knowing everything the jury was told, and wasn't told. Stories like this are hard to judge without some bias coming into it, even from witnesses who were there, and especially the accused.

Regards,

Doug

Have you any first hand knowledge of Austin?

 

[Libertarian01]

Have you any first hand knowledge of Austin?

Nope.

Do you have any first hand knowledge of what was discussed during the 16 hours of jury deliberation?

Regards,

Doug

 

[KG1]

What happened to a "reasonable person" standard? Would it be reasonable for a person to act accordingly given the same situation? In this case I would say it would be reasonable to act in self-defense.

The "peaceful protestors" were the aggressors that brought the violence to him and IMO it would be reasonable for a person to be in fear of great bodily harm and or death if that same situation were thrust upon them.

Kyle Rittenhouse wasn't looking for an opportunity to kill a "protestor" either. They brought the violence to him. Stop acting in a violent manner towards others, especially in numbers if you don't want to run the risk of being shot by someone who may be in fear of great bodily harm.

 

[Ark]

What happened to a "reasonable person" standard?

America is no longer populated by reasonable people.

 

[KG1]

America is no longer populated by reasonable people.

It's no longer reasonable if the message is that you will be prosecuted if you act in self-defense against mob action in fear of great bodily harm. It's no longer reasonable if the prosecution gives deference to the mob.

 

[bobzilla]

I don't disagree 100% with these comments, but I will push back slightly.

Many democrats/liberals living in Texas are way different from others outside their region. Much like a democrat from Kentucky is very different from a democrat from Massachusetts, or an Indiana republican v/s a New York republican.

The south has had (olde people will remember this phrase ) something called "blue steel" democrats. Very liberal on some issues but very pro 2A. They're still around.

I still find it very hard to judge this with much integrity without knowing everything the jury was told, and wasn't told. Stories like this are hard to judge without some bias coming into it, even from witnesses who were there, and especially the accused.

Regards,

Doug

I know several people that moved from chicagoland to austin area. Took their chicago beliefs with them. Apparently they have met a lot of like minded individuals in the area as they are just as closed minded there as they were in Chi town. So while the people that were born and raised there might be different brand of liberalis, they are being overrun by new blood from the new school of liberalism.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Austin is Texas' Bloomington. Just sayin.

 

[KLB]

Austin is Texas' Bloomington. Just sayin.

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