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[steveh_131]

That pertains to the executive branch of the Federal government, not corporate executives.

Yup!!

Don't let the facts get in your way

 

[Prometheus]

I've seen it in a few of your posts here but, someone who makes less money than you shouldn't be flamed for paying less than you. I don't agree with the system the way it is but I make $10/hr, yeah, I live at home still but, I pay for everything but the mortgage and I still have to watch my money. Just because I don't pay thousands and thousands of dollars doesn't mean that when I get my check I don't wonder where the hell did 1/4 of my check go. It's a different perspective for people who don't make as much as someone else. The way your posts have been have come off snobish and pissy towards people who "don't pay their fair share" according to you when in fact I can't afford to pay more.

Relative term. This whole notion of "can't afford to pay more". Really? Why not?

Don't take this the wrong, but follow the logic.

Plenty of people survive on rice in Ethiopia. You are living like a king compared to them at $10 an hour. Why shouldn't you compromise your standard of living so you can pay more taxes? Same analogy of you claiming you someone else claiming they "can't afford" to pay more making $40 per hour compare to you making $10.

Why should THEY sacrifice their standard of living any more (or less) than you do?

That is the whole problem with a federal personal income (or sales) tax. It cannot be fair.

It is also why the a income tax is one of centerposts of the COmmunist Manifesto.

I'll say it right now: If you support a income tax you are a communist. Plain and simple. There is no way around it. Facts are facts.

The question is, armed with knowledge that a income tax is socialist. The personal federal income tax in the US is less than 100 years old and we can abolish it and still have enough revenue to support the country at 1990's spending levels.....

Are you going to continuing supporting a communist system of wealth redistribution, or are you going to stand up and fight against it?

It's pretty simple, you are either with Karl Marx or you are with Thomas Jefferson. Make up your mind.

So should we be charged for government services on a pay-to-play basis? How would you handle wars and government protections?

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The same way we handled them before income taxes existed.

Exactly. In the 1990's we had the strongest military in the world. We have enough revenue from other sources that a personal federal income is NOT NEEDED nor is any replacement needed.

 

[Thunder219]

i don't agree with the tax at all....but if i'm gonna be taxed i would rather be taxed on money spent not money earned. i would swap income tax out for higher sales tax. that would mean every person in america pays....illegals, drug dealers, anyone working under the table. my thoughts are you should be taxed on the lifestyle you live not the income you earn....

 

[rooster007]

Please let me throw this out there , without getting set on fire , but if you consume more should you pay more ? just a simple question.

 

[rooster007]

Prometheus , watched a movie this week , that said you stole the fire from the gods , and gave it to the mortals , is that true ?????

 

[Thunder219]

i guess to me it seems more fair way to be taxed if i must be taxed....i guess i would like it more because it would make everyone pay a share. why should i have to pay taxes when i work but the local meth dealer doesn't?

 

[Prometheus]

Prometheus , watched a movie this week , that said you stole the fire from the gods , and gave it to the mortals , is that true ?????

Did they mention the liver eating bird of prey?

 

[jsgolfman]

You don't need to be taxed at all. There are two reasons to tax, income and oppression. We've been printing money for years with no backing, so income isn't an issue. That leaves oppression.

 

[jayhawk]

I'll say it right now: If you support a income tax you are a communist. Plain and simple. There is no way around it. Facts are facts.

See, when you say things that are simply wrong and then call them facts, you tend to lose credibility. When you take issues and try to over simplify them, you lose credibility.

There is no need to polarize everything just to attempt to get a point across.

 

[ATOMonkey]

Income tax is not part of the manifesto.

It's a PROGRESSIVE income tax, which we have in spades. So yes, anyone who supports the current progressive income tax is a communist, or at best, a socialist.

We've been living with socialism for well over a hundred years though, so most people probobably don't recognize they're socialist, since they've been taught to call it something else.

 

[Pocketman]

i guess to me it seems more fair way to be taxed if i must be taxed....i guess i would like it more because it would make everyone pay a share. why should i have to pay taxes when i work but the local meth dealer doesn't?

A consumer tax would include the local meth dealer and everyone else who purchases goods - all at the same rate.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Income tax is not part of the manifesto.

It's a PROGRESSIVE income tax, which we have in spades. So yes, anyone who supports the current progressive income tax is a communist, or at best, a socialist.

We've been living with socialism for well over a hundred years though, so most people probobably don't recognize they're socialist, since they've been taught to call it something else.

I will go a step further. Even if we had a flat rate tax or just a sales tax we would still be running a socialist system. Anytime someone has money taken from them by any means and given to someone else it is socialist in nature.

 

[jmiller676]

Relative term. This whole notion of "can't afford to pay more". Really? Why not?

Don't take this the wrong, but follow the logic.

Plenty of people survive on rice in Ethiopia. You are living like a king compared to them at $10 an hour. Why shouldn't you compromise your standard of living so you can pay more taxes? Same analogy of you claiming you someone else claiming they "can't afford" to pay more making $40 per hour compare to you making $10.

Why should THEY sacrifice their standard of living any more (or less) than you do?

That is the whole problem with a federal personal income (or sales) tax. It cannot be fair.

It is also why the a income tax is one of centerposts of the COmmunist Manifesto.

I'll say it right now: If you support a income tax you are a communist. Plain and simple. There is no way around it. Facts are facts.

The question is, armed with knowledge that a income tax is socialist. The personal federal income tax in the US is less than 100 years old and we can abolish it and still have enough revenue to support the country at 1990's spending levels.....

Are you going to continuing supporting a communist system of wealth redistribution, or are you going to stand up and fight against it?

It's pretty simple, you are either with Karl Marx or you are with Thomas Jefferson. Make up your mind.


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Exactly. In the 1990's we had the strongest military in the world. We have enough revenue from other sources that a personal federal income is NOT NEEDED nor is any replacement needed.

Not saying they should sacrifice more or less than I do, I'm saying, people that make less money are still contributing. Some of your posts make it seem like if someone isn't making a lot of money they aren't doing "their" part. I work everyday, I pay taxes everyday, just like you.

And frankly I don't give a damn abot rice eating countries.

ATO I agree.

 

[jmiller676]

I will go a step further. Even if we had a flat rate tax or just a sales tax we would still be running a socialist system. Anytime someone has money taken from them by any means and given to someone else it is socialist in nature.

Sales tax, no. You are choosing to buy something. It's the taking from the paychecks when we don't have a say about it that is socialistic.

 

[ATOMonkey]

The tax may not be socialist, but the government still is, as long as it keeps handing money back to certain groups of people.

 

[revsaxon]

I'll say it right now: If you support a income tax you are a communist. Plain and simple. There is no way around it. Facts are facts.

No. Not a fact in the least. If you believe that you have a highly simplified view of the flow of money.

If you assume 100 dollars of income tax a year (you can use your own, but the math is simple that way), here is where it goes...

36$ goes to the Current Military
30$ goes to human resources (this is what you could call commie)
18$ goes to the Past Military
11$ goes to General Government Spending
5$ goes to Physical Resources

So if you view a system that is 30% commie AT WORST as all commie... I really have to wonder about you. If you suddenly had 30% of the value in your savings account missing would that be ok, because by your logic its still a savings account?

 

[ATOMonkey]

Would 75% communism be ok?

 

[revsaxon]

Would 75% communism be ok?

Thats a personal question really. Where do you draw the line for yourself?

 

[ATOMonkey]

0%

You either are or you aren't. There's no middle ground.

 

[jayhawk]

Income tax is not part of the manifesto.

It's a PROGRESSIVE income tax, which we have in spades. So yes, anyone who supports the current progressive income tax is a communist, or at best, a socialist.

We've been living with socialism for well over a hundred years though, so most people probobably don't recognize they're socialist, since they've been taught to call it something else.

You could argue that the US system is democratic socialism, yes. But really, you could argue that just about anything but pure capitalism is democratic socialism. Of course, there is no solid definition of pure capitalism, so it's still a matter of some debate.

I believe that even Thomas Jefferson was not opposed to a progressive tax system (which implies redistribution of wealth), though he did not favor an income tax.

To argue that income tax is inherently communist ideology is, at best, facetious.