Now we have found our true mall ninja.Take this for what it's worth, but this statement is the most sheep minded thing I've read in this entire thread. While I personally don't need sights to engage close in targets, some might feel more comfortable with them.
"It Could never happen here."
That wasn't a "it couldn't happen here" quote, that was a "even if it did happen here you're better served with something else"
See below.
Even in the case of unrest, the likelihood of you using your precision AR at range and then up close is quite unlikely, and there are rifle set ups that better suit your mission in that situation. You're going to kill people 2-300 yards down the street who aren't attacking YOUR property in Bloomington IN? Really? How is that going to play out for you later? Unless we suddenly run into "Mad Max" style anarchy with no governmental consequences for your actions, that is going to bite you in the butt afterwards.Kinda what I was thinking. To think we can't experience civil unrest or worse in this country is naive.
Then suddenly in that same senario you're going to have to snap shoot some occupy wall street ninjas at your door?
Why weren't you focused on the people right in front you on your own property? And why aren't you using a rifle set up for CQB at that point? And why arent you skilled enough to make 200 yard hits with an AR with a simple CQB red dot set up or just iron sights?
Simply stated, an AR with a red dot cowittnessed with iron sights (in case the red dot goes down) will be more than adequate for any situation you are ever going to get into.
Or are yoing going to be apart of a roving post-apocalyptic justice squad?
Please.
You guys can do your survivalist/mall ninja self-congratulation circle to make yourselves feel better for wasting money on angled side sights, but stop pretending that this is somehow going to make you safer in your own life.
Cost of those diamond side sights :300$
Cost of FoF training at Mindset in Indy: 225$
At the end of the day you've wasted more money on something that you're not going to realistically use when you could have spent LESS money on training that would greatly improve your chances of survival in both a street encounter or a messy civil unrest style break down.
Sorry guys, as cool as it would be, Mad Max simply isn't going to be a reality. An Argentine style break down with civil unrest? Well that's pretty much just gauranteed at this point...unless we just get really lucky and make a 180 on our spending tomorrow. But again that 300$ could be put to use for food, ammo, training, almost another gun, a scope for your bolt action....the list goes on.
Again, all your opinion.
Asking for a specific serious situation, is akin to asking why carry a gun at all. I can spin up some BS situations that would require a Barret .50bmg for the best tool for the job. Murphys law and all that!
The difference here is that I can list very realistic senarios for why you would need a gun to defend yourself here in IN. I've even personally had to employ a firearm to do so. Even in an unrest senario, angled sights for a .50 cal barret isn't going to do you a lot of good.
I see you are not fond of the gaming community, and must ask what specific reason why? As well as what aspect of it that you feel is "crap". I know you will throw the whole tactics card at this, you know, "this will get you killed" stuff, but what else? If good tactics are used, why would fast, accurate and skillful gun handling be bad?
You misunderstand. I have nothing against the gaming community. I think it's fun! I just shake my head when "gamers" attempt to apply things that either aren't tactically viable or add expensive stuff onto their guns and then think they're suddenly better prepared for real life. Especially when you could be spending that money on training which will help you both in "gaming" situations AND in real life.
Gaming gear is fine. Don't let it posion your self-defense mindset. Tactical guns should be SIMPLE and optimized for their mission.
Please, Aaron1776, don't be mistaken by my comments, I am a fellow that likes to keep things simple as well. But, I am open minded when it comes to gun gear, as I have learned in the past that simply dismissing a product because it doesn't fit my dogma doesn't mean it has no use for others, especially some one who has seen them, and is curious as to the use, from folks that have actually used such a product.
No worries. I totally understand. I'm a guy who makes people question their set up and tries to get them away from a "gaming" mindset when it comes to "serious" use. If you want a gaming gun to reinact Call of Duty matches on the range, great. Just differientate between your "fun guns" and your "serious" guns. There are a lot of people on INGO with a "gear first" mindset. They need a reality/training mindset when it comes to serious use.
That said, I am sorry I am unable to use the multi-quote feature as well as I should. I am too busy loading ammo for tomorrows USPSA match and doing some dry fire drills, also doing some tune up work on my HD suppressed SBR, it needed some love.
Cheers!
Thanks for the polite and reasoned conversation. Have fun!!!
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