Anyone For Mitt In 2016

[jamil]

As has been posted many times before on this forum; the Dems vote lockstep for their candidate, no matter how much of a dirtbag (Clinton) or Marxist (Obama) they are. They are able to get people to the polls who have no conception of what they are doing other than pulling a "D" lever. Many on this forum expect a perfect candidate or they will stay home. IMO, a very short sighted, feel good move that only improves the chances of the socialists winning. These individuals can rest assured that their perfect candidate that will motivate them to vote never has or will exist.

The masses are conditioned to a steady message from mass media sources. All the cool people vote Democrat. Republicans are vile, selfish rich loving people who push poor old ladies in wheel chairs off cliffs. Democrats are the knights in shining armor who rescue the poor old ladies.

 

[rambone]

Ram, you'll need to make a choice. I know, the boner rays are a real threat. Scares the hell out of me too. But wearing the full time isolates you from reality. You need to let the reality rays in once in awhile. I try to take my foil off twice a day for a half hour or so. YMMV.

Being moderate isn't a comparison to loving freedom or being half-way constitutional. Saying someone is moderate just means they don't stray too far from the center. He's a moderate, not compared to freedom, and not compared to the quality of his views.

You are not a moderate. Comparing your stated political views to other Americans, your views are a radical departure from mainstream. That doesn't mean you're bad. It just means you're not moderate. And I hate to break it to you, but mainstream America doesn't hate collectivism. It embraces it. People who love freedom are the radicals anymore.

There's no tinfoil. Romney claims to be a friend to taxpayers and gun owners, but his record shows him establishing bureaucracies and weapons bans. He is a deceiver.

Giving him generous labels like "right leaning" and "moderate" is exactly how his PR people like it. It perpetuates a myth; one that he needs to slink past the sedated voters in the primaries.

If Romney is moderate, then so is Obama.

 

[findingZzero]

The masses are conditioned to a steady message from mass media sources. All the cool people vote Democrat. Republicans are vile, selfish rich loving people who push poor old ladies in wheel chairs off cliffs. Democrats are the knights in shining armor who rescue the poor old ladies.

Are Fox news and all the right wing radio heads not considered MSM yet? Now there's an old deceptive meme still being milked. I think you insult the intelligence of the average american voter. People vote their self interest. If there is deception in the MSM, it's certainly coming from both sides (but not NPR-don't say nothing bad about my NPR)

 

[jamil]

There's no tinfoil. Romney claims to be a friend to taxpayers and gun owners, but his record shows him establishing bureaucracies and weapons bans. He is a deceiver.

Giving him generous labels like "right leaning" and "moderate" is exactly how his PR people like it. It perpetuates a myth; one that he needs to slink past the sedated voters in the primaries.

If Romney is moderate, then so is Obama.

Ram, I sorry to inform you that being friendly to tax payers and gun owners in a way acceptable to either of us is a radical position. Not being a friend to either is indeed the moderate position. That's unfortunate, but true anymore. People luvs them some free ****. They hates them some gun totin' knuckle draggers. CNN says so.

That's what we're talking about. Saying Romney is a Moderate makes no statement of the quality of his ideas. It just identifies where he fits politically in the ubiquitous but flawed left/moderate/right paradigm.

Also, Romney =/= Obama. On most social and fiscal issues Obama is further left than Romney. And I could list the various issues and where Romney differs from Obama. And then you would probably apply your libertarian principles to strip away enough detail and what makes them different to equate them. So let's dispense with all that. Romney == Obama only with the fullness of all libertarian binary principles applied. Everyone else, sees the difference.

Again, I'm not making any subjective statements about the quality of Romney's political positions. I'm just saying he is indeed a moderate, and he is to the right relative to Obama on many political issues.

Are Fox news and all the right wing radio heads not considered MSM yet? Now there's an old deceptive meme still being milked. I think you insult the intelligence of the average american voter. People vote their self interest. If there is deception in the MSM, it's certainly coming from both sides (but not NPR-don't say nothing bad about my NPR)

People do vote their self interest, but I think they generally determine their self interest from what they hear on radio and TV. If that weren't true, people wouldn't buy worthless **** because of advertisements.

Main stream just means it's where most people get their news. Most people don't get their news from Fox, or even from cable news. The big three networks still outdo all cable news in viewership.

Fox news appeals to a smaller audience than mainstream news does. And Fox unfairly gets a worse rap than mainstream does. It's unfair, not because Fox doesn't deserve the rap they get for making **** up. It's unfair because mainstream news followers think that their news source doesn't make **** up. They both do.

EVERY news source makes determinations on what they choose to report, and how they spin it, according to their own biases. They selectively report, and sometimes downright make **** up. Prior to Obama's reelection mainstream journalists refused to write anything critical of Obama. Most journalists are lefties. We've posted and discussed the blogs and polls and other articles from lefties themselves that demonstrate that. The news that most people get is written, reported, and produced by people who typically vote Democrat. A right leaning person can smell the left bias as well as a left leaning person can smell out Fox's bias.

And, given the voting record of the average American voter, yes, I am quite willing to insult their intelligence. They suck up the main stream propaganda just like the people who watch Fox sucks up theirs, and then act like their own spoon feeding was real news.

So now let's talk about your precious NPR. Yes they are just as biased. Yes they report the news from a progressive perspective, with all the bias that would naturally accompany that. But they aren't really mainstream news either. Most of their listeners are lefties and moderates.

But I listen to NPR even though I don't agree with their politics. I try to take in as many different news sources, TV, radio, internet, as I can digest, and that includes CNN and Fox News on cable. Hopefully they don't all lie all the time, and if you compare what they're all reporting, maybe you can figure out which ones are telling the truth often enough.

But I have to admit that when I watch Megan Kelly on Fox I don't really pay much attention to what she's saying. It's just mesmerizing watching her lips move.

 

[findingZzero]

Well stated Jami. I can't disagree with much, and the rest I'm too tired to bother with. I will state that dems/liberals/moderates don't hold the patent on squishy brain. When we get beyond the labels there is real disagreement on the role of gov't.

 

[rambone]

Ram, I sorry to inform you that being friendly to tax payers and gun owners in a way acceptable to either of us is a radical position. Not being a friend to either is indeed the moderate position. That's unfortunate, but true anymore. People luvs them some free ****. They hates them some gun totin' knuckle draggers. CNN says so.

That's what we're talking about. Saying Romney is a Moderate makes no statement of the quality of his ideas. It just identifies where he fits politically in the ubiquitous but flawed left/moderate/right paradigm.

Also, Romney =/= Obama. On most social and fiscal issues Obama is further left than Romney. And I could list the various issues and where Romney differs from Obama. And then you would probably apply your libertarian principles to strip away enough detail and what makes them different to equate them. So let's dispense with all that. Romney == Obama only with the fullness of all libertarian binary principles applied. Everyone else, sees the difference.

Again, I'm not making any subjective statements about the quality of Romney's political positions. I'm just saying he is indeed a moderate, and he is to the right relative to Obama on many political issues.

Obama supports bailouts, gun control, Obamacare, and raising the minimum wage and he's a "radical leftist."

Romney supports bailouts, gun control, Romneycare, and raising the minimum wage and he's a "right-leaning moderate."

Sorry, it does not compute. And that is expected, if we are going to continue use that admittedly bogus left/right spectrum of politics.

 

[mrjarrell]

You know who likes Mitt? The progressives over at Mother Jones. They see his true colours.

Why Liberals Should Embrace Romney the Progressive Champion | Mother Jones

 

[ArcadiaGP]

You know who likes Mitt? The progressives over at Mother Jones. They see his true colours.

Why Liberals Should Embrace Romney the Progressive Champion | Mother Jones

Who's your ideal candidate

 

[mrjarrell]

Who's your ideal candidate

Don't have one at the moment, but I liked Gary Johnson a lot. Before him I really liked Harry Browne. I'll have to see who shakes out in the libertarian scene. The chances of it being a dem or rep are slim, though. I haven't seen any on that side that impress me very much, yet.

I'm certainly not going to cast a vote for a progressive like Romney, though. Or Christie. Or any of the dominionists that are out there and twitching their noses for a run.

 

[printcraft]

Don't have one at the moment, but I liked Gary Johnson a lot. Before him I really liked Harry Browne. I'll have to see who shakes out in the libertarian scene. The chances of it being a dem or rep are slim, though. I haven't seen any on that side that impress me very much, yet.

I'm certainly not going to cast a vote for a progressive like Romney, though. Or Christie. Or any of the dominionists that are out there and twitching their noses for a run.

I've heard good things about elizabeth warren........ she's like smart and stuff.

 

[jamil]

Obama supports bailouts, gun control, Obamacare, and raising the minimum wage and he's a "radical leftist."

Romney supports bailouts, gun control, Romneycare, and raising the minimum wage and he's a "right-leaning moderate."

Sorry, it does not compute. And that is expected, if we are going to continue use that admittedly bogus left/right spectrum of politics.

So let's dispense with all that.

Called it!

 

[rambone]

Sorry, not going to let Mitt get a free pass. He leans about as "right" as a teacher's union rep.

 

[jamil]

Sorry, not going to let Mitt get a free pass. He leans about as "right" as a teacher's union rep.

Why do you keep saying he gets a free pass by being moderate? I thought "moderate" was a dirty word on INGO.

 

[rambone]

Why do you keep saying he gets a free pass by being moderate? I thought "moderate" was a dirty word on INGO.

Its a meaningless word to me honestly. Romney leans where Obama leans. Right, left, or moderate, these don't accurately portray anything.

"Collectivist sellout devoted to central banking, war, and suppression of individual rights" -- that is a more substantive description of Obamney.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

awkward

Romney, ahead of 2016 run, now calls Utah home, talks openly about Mormon influence - The Washington Post

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Romney just held a meeting. He is NOT running.

 

[K_W]

 

[Super Bee]

Your fast, you beat me to it. I was actually kind of hoping he would run thinking he and Jeb would split the big government Republican vote. I am betting the meeting with Jeb last week influenced this decision.


Mitt Romney Is Not Running for President in 2016 | TheBlaze.com

 

[jamil]

The pundits. What will they do? They've been prognosticating of his candidacy for months!

 

[Trigger Time]

For mitt? Hell no