Another dead child thanks to unsecured firearms

[Kirk Freeman]

Seemed that I heard this happened after midnight, where was the parenting?

Just watched the story on Fox59.

It seems to me that the people that you have to tell to "lock up your guns around the kids" will never listen to you.

 

[churchmouse]

Just watched the story on Fox59.

It seems to me that the people that you have to tell to "lock up your guns around the kids" will never listen to you.

I got the same thing from that piece.

 

[Roadie]

you let your 6-yo kid drive?

so there are babysitters, barriers, locks and doors.

well no, but..
6-Year-Old Girl Steals Mom's Car, Drives to See Dad | NBC 10 Philadelphia

 

[bwframe]

If you could actually trust your kids, they wouldn't need parents.

 

[1861navy]

Education, education education. Locks, locks, locks. This **** doesn't have to happen.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

At the end of the day, a $20 gun box would have prevented this. Hiding it in the sofa seems to be common practice, as is kids finding it and shooting themselves or another child. This is the 4th 'couch gun' child shooting I'm aware of this year in our county. Night stand/bedroom tables runs a close second.

Instead of worrying about the "media agenda" how about promoting responsibility and not giving them things to promote an agenda with. We want to talk about the knee jerk reaction of the "anti's" but fail to see it among our own flock. Attempting to talk about the need for safety around firearms and reasonable measures to keep them out of inappropriate hands is somehow immediately deemed a threat to our freedom.

 

[SteveM4A1]

At the end of the day, a $20 gun box would have prevented this. Hiding it in the sofa seems to be common practice, as is kids finding it and shooting themselves or another child. This is the 4th 'couch gun' child shooting I'm aware of this year in our county. Night stand/bedroom tables runs a close second.

Instead of worrying about the "media agenda" how about promoting responsibility and not giving them things to promote an agenda with. We want to talk about the knee jerk reaction of the "anti's" but fail to see it among our own flock. Attempting to talk about the need for safety around firearms and reasonable measures to keep them out of inappropriate hands is somehow immediately deemed a threat to our freedom.

It isn't deemed a threat and I don't think anyone on these boards is advocating for no safety or education. The issue is making a blanket statement that everyone needs to lock their guns up around children, which is false. There are many different variables that come in to play, and it should be left up to the parents to decide what is best for their home. If something goes wrong, they should be prepared to face some consequences.

 

[Arthur Dent]

On average two children die of drowning every day. CDC - Water-Related Injuries Facts - Home and Recreational Safety - Injury Center

Yes, it's a tragedy whenever a child dies regardless of how it occurs. People are blowing this out of proportion.

 

[88GT]

At the end of the day, a $20 gun box would have prevented this. Hiding it in the sofa seems to be common practice, as is kids finding it and shooting themselves or another child. This is the 4th 'couch gun' child shooting I'm aware of this year in our county. Night stand/bedroom tables runs a close second.

Instead of worrying about the "media agenda" how about promoting responsibility and not giving them things to promote an agenda with. We want to talk about the knee jerk reaction of the "anti's" but fail to see it among our own flock. Attempting to talk about the need for safety around firearms and reasonable measures to keep them out of inappropriate hands is somehow immediately deemed a threat to our freedom.

Which, contrary to your implications, does not necessarily mean under lock and key.

 

[Hookeye]

Lack of responsible behavior is a people problem.

 

[88GT]

It isn't deemed a threat and I don't think anyone on these boards is advocating for no safety or education. The issue is making a blanket statement that everyone needs to lock their guns up around children, which is false. There are many different variables that come in to play, and it should be left up to the parents to decide what is best for their home. If something goes wrong, they should be prepared to face some consequences.

And unless we start locking up parents when their children drown in pools and bathtubs, ingest cleaning products, or swallow too much of a medicine, the only consequence should be personal. There's a rampant hypocrisy that treats firearms as more dangerous and demanding of more criminal liability. Children die of other causes at a rate ridiculously higher than they die from firearms. But firearms deaths, accidental firearms deaths, are the only ones where parents are routinely brought before a judge to answer for their non-crime.

 

[Hookeye]

At the end of the day, a $20 gun box would have prevented this. Hiding it in the sofa seems to be common practice, as is kids finding it and shooting themselves or another child. This is the 4th 'couch gun' child shooting I'm aware of this year in our county. Night stand/bedroom tables runs a close second.

Instead of worrying about the "media agenda" how about promoting responsibility and not giving them things to promote an agenda with. We want to talk about the knee jerk reaction of the "anti's" but fail to see it among our own flock. Attempting to talk about the need for safety around firearms and reasonable measures to keep them out of inappropriate hands is somehow immediately deemed a threat to our freedom.

They are not of my flock and your upset doesn't get you a bye with such an insult.
Stupid people never listen and will always be of danger.

 

[Hookeye]

I trust mine. They have proven themselves trustworthy.

They have proven themselves to be children.
Ultimately they might never break any of your rules.
But if you think a 5 and 8 yr old are robots of your control............you are a fool.

It is a very rare kid who is so logical, at all times, as to be gun safe.............from such a young age.

They do exist. You may have two of them.

But you don't know, only time will tell.



I bet Nancy Lanza had such a trusting/lofty view of her kid.

 

[SteveM4A1]

And unless we start locking up parents when their children drown in pools and bathtubs, ingest cleaning products, or swallow too much of a medicine, the only consequence should be personal. There's a rampant hypocrisy that treats firearms as more dangerous and demanding of more criminal liability. Children die of other causes at a rate ridiculously higher than they die from firearms. But firearms deaths, accidental firearms deaths, are the only ones where parents are routinely brought before a judge to answer for their non-crime.

I don't believe firearms should be treated differently than your aforementioned causes, as I believe there should be some culpability for them as well. What punishment and how much? I'm not sure.

 

[Hookeye]

Love 'em, teach 'em, but don't trust 'em.

You have to trust them, their siblings, their friends...........most homes these days suck at parenting. A gun home has to be a strict home.
That flies in the face of current social norm IMHO.

And that might just be enough of a "cause" for a slightly rebellious (but ultimately unsafe) act.

These are kids. Even if you homeschool, you don't control all inputs. They are free to make poor decisions.

Nobody should trust a kid under 12 nowadays.

Maybe a generation back it could be done with higher success, but not today.

 

[88GT]

They have proven themselves to be children.

They have proven to be obedient children and have thus earned my trust. Not for everything. But for some things. I trust that they will not handle firearms in inappropriate ways. They know the rules. They follow. Is it so difficult for you to grasp that a child can be taught to be safe around firearms?

Ultimately they might never break any of your rules.

I'm confident in my parenting.

But if you think a 5 and 8 yr old are robots of your control............you are a fool.

I do not think they are robots. I know they are children who want to be obedient and have shown that they are.
It is a very rare kid who is so logical, at all times, as to be gun safe.............from such a young age.

They do exist. You may have two of them.

If you really believed this, you wouldn't be so intent on trying to tell me I'm doing it wrong.

But you don't know, only time will tell.

Which I find incredibly ironic given that not only do you not know either, you don't know my children. And yet you insist that you know their likelihood of a certain behavior better than I.

I bet Nancy Lanza had such a trusting/lofty view of her kid.

I am not Nancy and her child is not mine. Your statement is pointless.

Gun safety isn't about logic. It's about obedience. My children obey the firearms rules. It's as simple as that.

 

[88GT]

I don't believe firearms should be treated differently than your aforementioned causes, as I believe there should be some culpability for them as well. What punishment and how much? I'm not sure.

Just another emotional response. Someone dies so someone has to be punished for it. Sorry. No can do. Accidents are just that. Every accident is rooted in some negligence because by definition all accidents can be prevented. But holding people legally responsible and seeking to punish them is unacceptable. What if the kid fell out of the tree house?

 

[Hookeye]

They have obeyed up to now.

 

[KLB]

Just another emotional response. Someone dies so someone has to be punished for it. Sorry. No can do. Accidents are just that. Every accident is rooted in some negligence because by definition all accidents can be prevented. But holding people legally responsible and seeking to punish them is unacceptable. What if the kid fell out of the tree house?

Agreed. I do not understand this desire to have to have someone punished for all of the bad things that happen in life. Sometimes bad things happen. It is sad but true.

 

[88GT]

Love 'em, teach 'em, but don't trust 'em.

If I don't trust them, how will they ever learn to be trustworthy?

You have to trust them, their siblings, their friends

No, I don't. You've apparently fallen for the idea that there is no room for situational decision-making. That if I don't lock them up for my children, that I won't/don't lock them up for other children. Where would you get such a ridiculous idea?

...........most homes these days suck at parenting. A gun home has to be a strict home.
That flies in the face of current social norm IMHO.

Define strict. Strict =/= restrictive. Strict does not breed rebellion.

These are kids. Even if you homeschool, you don't control all inputs. They are free to make poor decisions.

These are MY kids. I know them. Homeschooling's got nothing to do with it. My relationship with them does.

Nobody should trust a kid under 12 nowadays.

Because the 12th birthday is some magical rite of passage where they become super responsible and logical?

Maybe a generation back it could be done with higher success, but not today.

My kids, and lots of others, are proof you are wrong.