Active shooter at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas...

[jamil]

But NO! There has to be a message.

 

[frenchiectfd2203]

This is a writer for Jimmy Kimmel.

After this tweet, she pulled the "sexism" card at a man for responding to her inane bull****.

Well I guess the "First" is considered the same... so shut the fu<£ up...

 

[jedi]

Wait.

She might be on to something.

Direct election of senators might not be a real thing?

This may be worth exploring....

ETA:
Dangit.

I wonder what that means for slavery....

We still have slavery its just not called that term anymore instead its called debt (student loans mainly).

Plus we have generations now on welfare which is again another form of slavery.

See how we did not get rid of it just hid it.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Well this changes the timeline.

Las Vegas sheriff says Mandalay Bay security guard was shot 6 minutes before first shots were fired at crowd - ABC News

 

[hoosierdoc]

Where was his car with the tannerite in relation to the fuel tanks?

Was it mixed or still in separate components? I haven't heard

 

[jamil]

Well this changes the timeline.

Las Vegas sheriff says Mandalay Bay security guard was shot 6 minutes before first shots were fired at crowd - ABC News

Well, that ****s everything up.

 

[Alpo]

Trying to understand the actions of a loon. Why can't loons just be loons?

Canada was trying to hint at it. QE II on the flip side.

 

[JAL]

Sheriff Lombardo Briefing:
In today's briefing he did not confirm the document found is ballistics calculations. Stated it's still being studied do determine the its meaning and use. Jose Campos, the hotel security guard, was shot before the shooter began shooting at the concert goers. Additionally, Campos was investigating a "door ajar" alarm when he was fired on. The door he was investigating was on a different room, not the shooter's. I can only conclude it must have been very near the shooter's. Stated they believe he shot at the fuel tanks. Doubled down on his conviction based on the mass of circumstantial evidence the shooter was at planning at least at the outset, to escape. He had protective equipment in the room (ballistic vest or similar? sheriff didn't characterize it). Confirmed an additional search of the Mesquite, NV home was being conducted after their interview with the shooter's live-in girlfriend.

Was it mixed or still in separate components? I haven't heard

Further commented the vehicle was in the hotel garage and that the Tannerite was not "prepared" for detonation and that there was no electronic device set up to accomplish that remotely.

Wondering where CBS got their information the document found was ballistics calculations.

Comment about fuel tanks:
These are hardened against being punctured by small arms, and they are self-sealing in the event of a puncture. If not before 11 Sept 2001, certainly very soon thereafter. They have long been random targets for drive-by shootings by bored idiots. One only need drive on enough rural county roads to see road signs with one or more bullet holes, or peppered by a shotgun shot shell. I would have been extremely surprised had the tank sprung a leak.

John

 

[hammerd13]

Was it mixed or still in separate components? I haven't heard

I've heard two news reports that both indicate the tannerite components were NOT mixed.

 

[chipbennett]

Well this changes the timeline.

Las Vegas sheriff says Mandalay Bay security guard was shot 6 minutes before first shots were fired at crowd - ABC News

Just came here to post this. Scooped by GPIA7R, because of course.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GPIA7R again."

 

[BigBoxaJunk]

If the shooter had any forethought about puncturing the fuel tanks, I would have expected his "arsenal" to include at least one larger caliber rifle.

 

[aaron580]

If the shooter had any forethought about puncturing the fuel tanks, I would have expected his "arsenal" to include at least one larger caliber rifle.

Is 308 not large?

 

[churchmouse]

Is 308 not large?

Depends on the round.
Yeah it is large but punch required.

 

[JAL]

Depends on the round.
Yeah it is large but punch required.

^^^^^ This ^^^^^
I would expect, at that distance, a heavy FMJ spitzer minimum. Armor piercing would undoubtedly do it. The tanks are self-sealing, so even if it did penetrate, it wouldn't leak.

ETA
I've been told they have a double shell.

John

 

[churchmouse]

^^^^^ This ^^^^^
I would expect, at that distance, a heavy FMJ spitzer minimum. Armor piercing would undoubtedly do it. The tanks are self-sealing, so even if it did penetrate, it wouldn't leak.

ETA
I've been told they have a double shell.

John

As to punch......Was shooting at a friends place maybe 50+ yrds at his brand "NEW" 500 steel plates. I ran some 5.56 through one of my AR's and them ran the AR-10. We found some serious pock marks in the new steel. Terns out the 5.56 was putting divots in the steel. The 308 was leaving marks but not removing metal.
We got on the horn to bobcat and he said 5.56 will do that at 50+. Little rounds had a lot of steam.
I doubt they would penetrate those tanks at that range.

 

[rvb]

As to punch......Was shooting at a friends place maybe 50+ yrds at his brand "NEW" 500 steel plates. I ran some 5.56 through one of my AR's and them ran the AR-10. We found some serious pock marks in the new steel. Terns out the 5.56 was putting divots in the steel. The 308 was leaving marks but not removing metal.
We got on the horn to bobcat and he said 5.56 will do that at 50+. Little rounds had a lot of steam.
I doubt they would penetrate those tanks at that range.

The rounds would loose well over 1/2 their velocity at 600-700 yds...
yea, 50 is too close for rifle on steel...

-rvb

 

[Fargo]

As to punch......Was shooting at a friends place maybe 50+ yrds at his brand "NEW" 500 steel plates. I ran some 5.56 through one of my AR's and them ran the AR-10. We found some serious pock marks in the new steel. Terns out the 5.56 was putting divots in the steel. The 308 was leaving marks but not removing metal.
We got on the horn to bobcat and he said 5.56 will do that at 50+. Little rounds had a lot of steam.
I doubt they would penetrate those tanks at that range.

With AR 500, velocity is the issue rather than energy. 3/8 AR 500 will stop fmj 50 BMG, but not 220 swift. I have no idea what the tanks are made of, but I really doubt it is AR 500 as its claim to fame is as a wear resistant steel.

 

[JAL]

As to punch......Was shooting at a friends place maybe 50+ yrds at his brand "NEW" 500 steel plates. I ran some 5.56 through one of my AR's and them ran the AR-10. We found some serious pock marks in the new steel. Terns out the 5.56 was putting divots in the steel. The 308 was leaving marks but not removing metal.
We got on the horn to bobcat and he said 5.56 will do that at 50+. Little rounds had a lot of steam.
I doubt they would penetrate those tanks at that range.

At 2000 feet my thinking was needing something bigger and heavier for reasons similar to hunters using brush guns for hunting in thickets. The latter is among the reasons why soldiers and marines wanted their M-14's back after they were handed M-16's in the Jungle Paradise. It's also based on what I saw regarding penetration of cover and concealment by 5.56 vs 7.62 NATO at distances beyond 100m in the US Army. The 5.56 was useful to ~300m but could be used farther if necessary. The 7.62 NATO was useful to ~500m, to be used farther if necessary. I'd want at least a .30-06 FMJ spitzer for the tanks at that distance. I think more in terms of projectile momentum than energy. What you mentioned at 50 meters is why Hickock45 only shoots at distant steel with his rifles.

John

 

[Ruffnek]

Well this changes the timeline.

Las Vegas sheriff says Mandalay Bay security guard was shot 6 minutes before first shots were fired at crowd - ABC News

That being the case, why did it take so long to get to him?

 

[long coat]

That being the case, why did it take so long to get to him?

They have said he fired 200 rounds through the door, was anyone else on the floor or above or below & what did they think the shots were?
They said the guard told the hotel that he was shot, but they didn't tell the police. Did anyone else call 911 and skip calling the hotel?