.22LR WoW....am not believing what I am seeing..

[The Bubba Effect]

I said several times I am far more conservative that any of you here

Are not

 

[jcwit]

At the age of 69 and a lifetime of experience in retailing since the age of 13 and many of those years in our own business with my wife, I'll stick to my beliefs and ethics.

You may do the same.

No book studying needed by me, at least that is my opinion, like it or not.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I am alluding to Rand because it appears to me that some people are taking the stand that they are fit to decide what is morally and ethically best over what other people do with their own property.

 

[jcwit]

Are not

You sound like a 3rd grader in the playground!

 

[The Bubba Effect]

At the age of 69 and a lifetime of experience in retailing since the age of 13 and many of those years in our own business with my wife, I'll stick to my beliefs and ethics.

You may do the same.

No book studying needed by my, at least that is my opinion, like it or not.

Perhaps you are right, perhaps you have learned everything you need to learn. They really are good books if you get the yearning.

 

[warthog]

Are not

36 years old and your still on the playground.

Well, it's good to have a young heart so good on ya!

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Growing up means growing old and then to dying. And dying to me don't sound like all that much fun.

 

[warthog]

It does to me, I have Faith in a loving GOD.

I still remain young at heart. Just not as stupid as I was when I was young.
Growing old means getting wiser, most of the time at least.

 

[paintball_addiction]

I am a collector, a shooter, a hoarder, and a gouger. There, I said it.

 

[warthog]

and good for you. Be all you can be.

 

[JeepArn]

It does to me, I have Faith in a loving GOD.

I still remain young at heart. Just not as stupid as I was when I was young.
Growing old means getting wiser, most of the time at least.

Amen..

 

[rvb]

Long before any movie was made, I read Atlas Shrugged. I'm afraid you don't get the point of the book gents.

I'm not talking about any sort of hand outs, I am talking about standing as one and trying to fight what is happening to our hobby. Instead, you seem to think that I am doing the opposite and trying to make this some sort of socialist world. I said several times I am far more conservative that any of you here ...

Maybe you should re-read it.

"We're all one big family, they told us, we're all in this together.
...
We saw that we'd been given a law to live by, a moral law, they called it, which punished those who observed it - for observing it. The more you tried to live up to it, the more you suffered"

One of the most relevant portions:
"From Each According to His Ability, To Each According to His Need" - informationliberation

The whole book is railing against "moral" economic policy.

I do get what you are saying. But I question whether my selling ammo from my stock (that I don't really want to sell) at a price point I may not be able to re-buy it for is really going to make us a more unified community in the end. It might make some poor-planner happy today, but it doesn't make me happy. What expectations are set? How much do I have to sell before I've done "enough?" How far back in time do I have to set my price point?

-rvb

 

[ricochet22]

no sense in

but I will weigh-in with the unprepared buyers who pay the exorbitant prices that keep this craze going.
If you are willing to do the leg work you can buy ammo at 'regular' prices.

 

[warthog]

You don't get what I'm saying though I admit you want to at least. At least it seems so so I will try to make myself clearer.

I am not asking you to sell anything nor am I saying that you should give or do anything but stay calm and try to do what you are able to ease the panic. Starting hundreds of threads for instance doesn't help things. However you are free to do so, I am not a censor. I just think that if we were less or a gaggle and more of a group we would be far more effective as a lobby. I also think that as an effective lobby we could help calm things so that the increase in overall ammo costs we are destined to see will be minimized.

Are you all simply incapable of understanding that your firearms need ammo and that the more people who can afford to hit the range weekends or whenever they wish to go, the better educated and less afraid people will be about guns in general? Trouble is the Anti's don't give up and so when they decide that they can no longer win legislation against firearm ownership, they simply turn to the far more vulnerable ammunition market. Causing a panic is easy for them, they do it to us on a regular basis but somehow we are never able to turn this to our favor with the new guys in the group of firearm owners. That is one thing we need to get a lot better at and one of the best ways to do this is to stop panics as soon as we are able rather than try to keep them going. It doesn't take an economist to realize that each time we see one of these, prices jump and not some small, cost of doing business jump either. We see a large jump in prices that makes us all feel the pinch.

So how do we do this? We stay calm and don't freak out. We try not to empty every source of ammo that pops up here and every other forum, in fact maybe we stop posting that so-and-so has such-and-such every time we find it. We all see what happens when we do so, it disappears in minutes which only scares people more. When you do need ammo, buy what you need instead of emptying the shelf. If you want to build up a supply, do so then stop acting like a frightened kid and buy more and more. I know it's hard, it's instinct to buy it all, let's try to act like a human instead of an animal for once. Use the brain instead of the gut and stay calm.

Make money if you like, I don't care. If someone will pay then they will and so it goes. Just see if you can't bring yourself to make what you think should be a good wad and then try to let it settle for the good of all. It isn't socialism to want what is best for the group, it's camaraderie or if that word smacks of communism for you, call it team spirit or whatever word or words work for you. Semantics should not be such a big deal and it seems this is raised in these arguments more than substance.

If it seems like this is too much, then it must be and I give up. I am sure the previous surrender statement will be the ost quoted of everything I just said and that is a pity since this is what I have been talking about al along. It takes more than just paying dues to a lobby group. It takes more than writing letters and lobbying yourself even. It takes personal action and accountability to the group. The group os simply "Firearm Owners" and it doesn't matter if you like to compete in one of the many forms of competition, or like to hunt whatever it is you like to hunt, or if you just like to shoot or collect or whatever else you like about firearms. We are a group of people who see firearms as our God Given, Constitutionally granted Right and in order for us to continue to enjoy doing what we do with our firearms we must stand together as a group or we will ALWAYS be one step behind those who would disarm us. Panic buying is just one facet of this but it is the one that is tearing us up at the moment.

I don't know if I can make this much clearer but I will try.

 

[Onebad06vtx]

Just crazy.
Keep searching,ammo is out there for good prices.

 

[rvb]

I just think that if we were less or a gaggle and more of a group we would be far more effective as a lobby. I also think that as an effective lobby we could help calm things so that the increase in overall ammo costs we are destined to see will be minimized.

As for lobbying, I actually see the shortage as a good thing. Look at the coverage in the national media. Our elected officials see this media coverage, too. There's lots of ways they could interpret the shortage, but regardless they have to see a block of voters who are scared for their 2A rights, and the arming of America.

The media has even tied it in with the DHS ammo purchases. Whether that's a legit impact isn't relavant, as it brings the discussion on both topics to the national level.

Are you all simply incapable of understanding that your firearms need ammo and that the more people who can afford to hit the range weekends or whenever they wish to go, the better educated and less afraid people will be about guns in general?

The people hitting the range aren't the people that need educated. They get it, even if on a visceral level. It's like talking gun politics on this forum..... preaching to the choir.

Trouble is the Anti's don't give up and so when they decide that they can no longer win legislation against firearm ownership, they simply turn to the far more vulnerable ammunition market.

THAT's the kind of fear mongering helping to prop the demand. The Anti's haven't done a thing regarding ammo (except in NY). There's nothing even proposed to my knowledge at the national level. It's completely demand driven.

So how do we do this? We stay calm and don't freak out. We try not to empty every source of ammo that pops up here and every other forum, in fact maybe we stop posting that so-and-so has such-and-such every time we find it. ... Use the brain instead of the gut and stay calm.

So that's largely what I said in my post. I can agree with that.

How about folks stop worrying about finding ammo for a while. Put that effort into contacting your reps? Stop worrying about the price of ammo and let the market settle a while. Shop around for things that may actually get legislated away (eg magazines)

I don't get this shortage. There's no rational reason for it. I don't buy there are THAT many new gun owners. And new gun owners most likely aren't reloading so I don't get the shortage of primers/powder unless manufacturers are using that supply for loaded cartridges. There are no indications ammo will be legislated away soon. But we live in a gotta-have-it-now society, so if folks will pay 2x now vs waiting till they find it at normal price, then ok. And that's what it comes down to... as the vast majority of people cleaning out shelves are re-selling.

In fact, it would probably be a GOOD thing if the big chains and manufacturers raised prices some. They would make some more $ and the re-sell market would diminish and be less profitable. The shelves would re-fill and when their product starts moving slower they can bring their prices back to a point that moves them faster. I can't fathom why the chains aren't raising prices more... they are much quicker to adjust when it's electronics or popular/seasonal apparel. Whose shelves get cleared out? Walmart and Gander at 6-mo ago prices or the shop who's raised prices 50%? Would you rather pay walmart 50% more or a re-selling 'gouger' 100% more for the same box of ammo?

So if people are willing to pay it, I'm not against sellers charging it. The buyers are doing it to themselves. I completely dont get it and just continue to shake my head. If I didn't have a single box of .22, I doubt I would even be shopping for any right now.... Fortunately I wasn't that short sighted. If the situation lasts a couple years, I'll probably start paying the higher going rate. by then it'll be the new "norm."

There are LOTS of facets to the problem. Everyone is quick to point fingers and give blame.

I still view "helping my shooting brothers out" as providing a pastime. The complaints sound no different to my ear than "... but I want to go to the sold-out ballgame, too!" I guess that's where scalpers came from. So the analogy is to pay the scalpers or stay home. Maybe next time dont wait till the tickets are sold out before trying to buy some.......

-rvb

 

[38special]

I've sold some ammo at a profit and just sold a brick of 22lr for $25 to a kid who just got his first gun - a ruger 10/22.

I don't feel bad at all for profiting from several folks who didn't prepare.

 

[jcwit]

I've sold some ammo at a profit and just sold a brick of 22lr for $25 to a kid who just got his first gun - a ruger 10/22.

I don't feel bad at all for profiting from several folks who didn't prepare.

Whatever!

 

[Fireman610]

IM just shocked that the Mods are allowing this to happen! Many other boards have been proactive and placed Anti Gouging policies and told those who gouge .. You wanna gouge Go pay a fee to do it and dont do it here for free.
I think INGO should do the same. Strolling through these ads reading some of these prices Im thinking Why am I even wasting my time to come here? This is ludicrous what happened to "Were here to help each other learn and obtain what we need to enjoy a sport,Which has quickly turned into Ahhhahahahhaa I have it they want it and Im gonna be Donald Trump Rich!!!!!!

 

[Bunnykid68]

IM just shocked that the Mods are allowing this to happen! Many other boards have been proactive and placed Anti Capitalism policies and told those who gouge .. You wanna gouge Go pay a fee to do it and dont do it here for free.
I think INGO should do the same. Strolling through these ads reading some of these prices Im thinking Why am I even wasting my time to come here? This is ludicrous what happened to "Were here to help each other learn and obtain what we need to enjoy a sport,Which has quickly turned into Ahhhahahahhaa I have it they want it and Im gonna be Donald Trump Rich!!!!!!

FTFY

Also, this is still a forum first that just happens to have a classified section