22LR flippers

[AA&E]

You see though, the problem here is that there is a vocal group of shooters, many right here on InGO who DON'T MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

If I paid $25 a brick, they insist I should only sell it for $25 a brick. No matter when I bought it. If I charge $26 a brick that I bought when anyone could walk into a store and buy it, they still call me a flipper. If I sold some of my "hoard" for more than I bought it for, I am "taking advantage of my fellow shooters." If I DON'T sell my "hoard" then I am just selfish.

And I have, for YEARS now, watched many of these very same people rail on in other threads about socialism and "free market" and whatnot, only to see their hypocrisy when it comes to something they WANT (yes, a WANT, not a NEED) that they can't get because they didn't have the foresight to prepare for.

I got no use for the guys who are camping out to buy as much as they can for an immediate 100% profit, they are what are contributing to the problem, but so are the folks who only ever buy 1 box at a time because they can't weather the situation. And now that this stupidity has gone on for a long enough time, even the guys who HAD a year or so supply on hand are running out.

Oh, and FWIW, the guy who is buying my ammo offered to pay a few bucks extra over what I was asking because of my willingness to help him out. THAT is why I offered to sell to him in the first place, because THAT is the kind of person I don't mind helping out. A far cry from the whiners here who think I should be giving them my ammo. In the long run too, I will remember that and if there is ever a real SHTF, that is the kind of person I will be far more likely to try to help out, not the "gimme gimme gimme" crowd.

Fair enough. I guess I haven't been here long enough to have seen that side of the flipper argument where any profit is evil. I think it is the immediate turnover for such enormous profits I personally take issue with. Seriously, you bought 50k rounds 5 years ago and can sell for $50 a box. More power to you. I am certainly not anti profit. In my business if it costs me a dollar you can bet your behind it is costing you $2. My labor rate isn't cheap either. To have someone suggest I was a closet socialist actually struck me as amusing.

 

[jcwit]

I guess I'm one of the whiners. Even tho I have more than enough .22 ammo then I'll probably ever use up. YUP, I have a stock pile somewhere between 20 & 40 thousand rounds, I only wish more of it was premium target ammo.

Now then, did I buy it to hoard? Not hardly. I live in a small town where no one carries ammo of any kind. When I go to Fort Wayne, 60 miles one way, wife and I always do some shopping, years ago Gander Mountain would have a sale on plinking .22's, well why not buy a brick or 2 at $5.99, go again and sale is still on, well pick up a brick, this has gone on for 20 years, never thought about hoarding just stocking with the idea of shooting it up in the future. Well age and health issues have caught up with me so I now have plenty. Yes I have given some away, yes I have contributed funds to our jr. leagues. Now there is no need to as they have plenty thanks to Federal.


I have done the same with motor oil. Menards runs specials frequently with a store credit making the oil free. I seriously doubt I'll ever need to buy oil again for my 2 vehicles. Am I hoarding it, maybe, but the intent is not there, low price, buy some.


Why am I a whiner? I have no problem with a bona fide retailer selling product for whatever he deems necessary. But many if not most flippers are not bona fide retail outlets and just out for themselves. Again they do little to help our sport, actually IMO they hurt it.

 

[Win52C]

How can that be a problem when it was pointed out that these purchases were carried out over 2 decades ago when this ammo was cheap, and no one wanted it? I bought over 30,000 rounds of Federal 550 round bulk packs off a pallet in a local Walmart for $8.88 a pack, back in the early 90's. How does that effect anyone standing in line at Walmart today for their weekly fix or flip?

if you would read the quote above my post ... He says that they have bought all this ammo. SINCE sandy hook. I'm not referring to someone who has built a stockpile over a25 year period. Like me

 

[jcwit]

He is also talking about the sale of an item that has appreciated.

I conduct my business honorably and legally. I doubt many of the flippers are doing so.

True! But comparing buying and selling a Corvette to buying and selling .22 ammo is 2 completely different animals.

I know all about buying and selling a Corvette. Had one, it was the only vehicle I ever owned that never cost me a dime. That included factoring in insurance, plates, gas, oil changes, all expenses. Kept it for 8 years. Didn't really make a profit, it just never cost me anything to own and drive it.

 

[AA&E]

True! But comparing buying and selling a Corvette to buying and selling .22 ammo is 2 completely different animals.

I know all about buying and selling a Corvette. Had one, it was the only vehicle I ever owned that never cost me a dime. That included factoring in insurance, plates, gas, oil changes, all expenses. Kept it for 8 years. Didn't really make a profit, it just never cost me anything to own and drive it.

If you had free use of a corvette for eight years and it never cost you a dime, trust me you profited from it. How many young ladies wanted rides in that car for instance? I rest my case. Somethings you can't put a price tag on.

 

[hornadylnl]

You see though, the problem here is that there is a vocal group of shooters, many right here on InGO who DON'T MAKE ANY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO.

If I paid $25 a brick, they insist I should only sell it for $25 a brick. No matter when I bought it. If I charge $26 a brick that I bought when anyone could walk into a store and buy it, they still call me a flipper. If I sold some of my "hoard" for more than I bought it for, I am "taking advantage of my fellow shooters." If I DON'T sell my "hoard" then I am just selfish.

And I have, for YEARS now, watched many of these very same people rail on in other threads about socialism and "free market" and whatnot, only to see their hypocrisy when it comes to something they WANT (yes, a WANT, not a NEED) that they can't get because they didn't have the foresight to prepare for.

I got no use for the guys who are camping out to buy as much as they can for an immediate 100% profit, they are what are contributing to the problem, but so are the folks who only ever buy 1 box at a time because they can't weather the situation. And now that this stupidity has gone on for a long enough time, even the guys who HAD a year or so supply on hand are running out.

Oh, and FWIW, the guy who is buying my ammo offered to pay a few bucks extra over what I was asking because of my willingness to help him out. THAT is why I offered to sell to him in the first place, because THAT is the kind of person I don't mind helping out. A far cry from the whiners here who think I should be giving them my ammo. In the long run too, I will remember that and if there is ever a real SHTF, that is the kind of person I will be far more likely to try to help out, not the "gimme gimme gimme" crowd.

And conservative gun owners arguing about the legalities of buying and selling only comes up with guns and ammo. Anything else, it's government interference into the market place and taxed too high.

 

[hornadylnl]

For a guy that claims to not be a flipper, you sure do get your feelings hurt at all the negativity towards them. Nobody has a problem with HORDERS, which is what you claim to be. You come across as being a bit more vested in the subject at hand than you are admitting to.

Haven't sold any ammo in years. I think the joke is just as much on the flippers as it is on the short sighted whiners who can't find ammo.

I pass by a Walmart on the way to and from work that is literally 2 miles away. Even if I were GUARANTEED a bulk pack at $20 every other trip and were GUARANTEED $50 for that same bulk pack, I wouldn't waste my time. It'd be at least 30-40 minutes of my time per bulk pack making those 2 trips to buy it. Then I'd have to get on the net and advertise it and filter through IM's and emails to sort out interested buyers from the butthurters. Then I'd have to either box it up and hassle with the ORM-D shipping or spending even more time doing meet ups.

I can make more money for less hassle going to work, thank you.

 

[jamil]

I believe this can be paraphrased as I listed above, what a reasonable seller & reasonable buyer agree upon. Many buyers in the current market are under a self imposed duress, which excludes them from the definition.

This is true. We can talk about fair market value and intrinsic value, but what is most important is the real market value, which is, what people are willing to pay.

This is still a panic market where enough buyers are still duressed enough that they'll pay 2 or 3 times what they used to pay. I do think that the real value of 22 is going down as fewer people are willing to pay the top rate.

 

[jcwit]

If you had free use of a corvette for eight years and it never cost you a dime, trust me you profited from it. How many young ladies wanted rides in that car for instance? I rest my case. Somethings you can't put a price tag on.

Ya, it was fun back in my younger days, till I finally came to the fact I did not need to impress anyone. Great times back in the 70's.

 

[indiucky]

I've never understood why idiots think they have to stockpile 50k - 100k rounds of .22

Let's see 100,000 .22 rounds equals roughly 190 bricks of .22 ammo...So this "idiot" is a guy who once a month bought a brick of .22 ammo for the last 15 years...Your definition of idiot needs some adjustment...If he had 50,000 rounds that means once a month he bought a 525 round brick for 7.5 years...


How is stocking up on the oldest, most popular, and least expensive round one can own qualify someone as an "idiot"????

 

[Leadeye]

If you had free use of a corvette for eight years and it never cost you a dime, trust me you profited from it. How many young ladies wanted rides in that car for instance? I rest my case. Somethings you can't put a price tag on.

That only works when you're young.

 

[hornadylnl]

Let's see 100,000 .22 rounds equals roughly 190 bricks of .22 ammo...So this "idiot" is a guy who once a month bought a brick of .22 ammo for the last 15 years...Your definition of idiot needs some adjustment...If he had 50,000 rounds that means once a month he bought a 525 round brick for 7.5 years...


How is stocking up on the oldest, most popular, and least expensive round one can own qualify someone as an "idiot"????

I'm not a psychologist and I didn't stay in a holiday inn last night but I think it's called projection.

 

[shibumiseeker]

I'm not a psychologist and I didn't stay in a holiday inn last night but I think it's called projection.

I like the simpler: If your way of having fun isn't like my way of having fun then it is wrong.

 

[LockStocksAndBarrel]

I wasn't prepared when Sandy Hook happened. I didn't have the foresight to buy ammo before the election and resulting panic. I'm a poor planner. I don't work at finding reasonable priced ammo now that it's becoming more available. I'm not prepared or willing to try and I'm not able to remember the past.

And it's all your fault!

 

[hornadylnl]

I wasn't prepared when Sandy Hook happened. I didn't have the foresight to buy ammo before the election and resulting panic. I'm a poor planner. I don't work at finding reasonable priced ammo now that it's becoming more available. I'm not prepared or willing to try and I'm not able to remember the past.

And it's all your fault!

Reminds me of my smoking days in the Army. We'd go out to the field for 10 days and I'd bring at least 10 packs being a pack a day smoker. Inevitably, there'd be multiple smokers who didn't bring enough to support their habit. If they ran out and you still had some left, you were expected to provide for them even if it meant you'd run out.

If you had the forethought to bring more than enough, you're the most hated guy in the unit because no matter what you did, they'd hate you. If you sold them for what you paid for them, Snuffy was mad because you sold them to Jones. If you auctioned them off to the high bidder, how dare you take advantage of a brother. After several of these episodes, you quit feeling any sympathy for them.

There were times I failed to bring enough and packs were going for $10. This was back when they were less than $2. The only person I was mad at was myself for not having $10 in cash on me.

 

[cmamath13]

Reminds me of my smoking days in the Army. We'd go out to the field for 10 days and I'd bring at least 10 packs being a pack a day smoker. Inevitably, there'd be multiple smokers who didn't bring enough to support their habit. If they ran out and you still had some left, you were expected to provide for them even if it meant you'd run out.

If you had the forethought to bring more than enough, you're the most hated guy in the unit because no matter what you did, they'd hate you. If you sold them for what you paid for them, Snuffy was mad because you sold them to Jones. If you auctioned them off to the high bidder, how dare you take advantage of a brother. After several of these episodes, you quit feeling any sympathy for them.

There were times I failed to bring enough and packs were going for $10. This was back when they were less than $2. The only person I was mad at was myself for not having $10 in cash on me.

Good wisdom being shared in this post!

 

[billt]

You can easily carry this to 30 round magazines as well. Right now they're cheap and plentiful. $9.89 each for P-Mags here, over 50,000 in stock:

Magpul Industries Mag PMAG 223 Rem 556NATO 30Rd Black AR Rifles MAG571-BLK - ManVentureOutpost.com

How many are buying now? How many are letting them sit because of one excuse or another? This was just a few weeks after Newtown, when the shelves were bare:

10 Magpul PMAG Black Magazine AR15

I can all but guarantee you if someone caps off another two dozen kids next week, the whole cycle will start over again. And the same people will be looking for them. I didn't think so many people could sit on a fence without it breaking.

 

[jamil]

That reminds me, i haven't bought any pmags since before they got ridiculous.

 

[hornadylnl]

You can easily carry this to 30 round magazines as well. Right now they're cheap and plentiful. $9.89 each for P-Mags here, over 50,000 in stock:

Magpul Industries Mag PMAG 223 Rem 556NATO 30Rd Black AR Rifles MAG571-BLK - ManVentureOutpost.com

How many are buying now? How many are letting them sit because of one excuse or another? This was just a few weeks after Newtown, when the shelves were bare:

10 Magpul PMAG Black Magazine AR15

I can all but guarantee you if someone caps off another two dozen kids next week, the whole cycle will start over again. And the same people will be looking for them. I didn't think so many people could sit on a fence without it breaking.

Wonder how long that sale is for. Might order 2-300.

 

[treeman22]

Let's see 100,000 .22 rounds equals roughly 190 bricks of .22 ammo...So this "idiot" is a guy who once a month bought a brick of .22 ammo for the last 15 years...Your definition of idiot needs some adjustment...If he had 50,000 rounds that means once a month he bought a 525 round brick for 7.5 years...


How is stocking up on the oldest, most popular, and least expensive round one can own qualify someone as an "idiot"????

How is buying a brick of ammo every month for 15 years and never using any of it NOT idiotic? Think about what you just said. That is a perfect example of mental illness.

I am by no means posting against having a good stock of ammo. A true man is prepared. Its the mentality that someone suddenly needs 50k-100k of ammo out of paranoia that is pure idiocy.
It is getting to the point that the stockpiling itself is a hobby, and not the shooting part. Which is also known as compulsive-hoarding. A type of Obsessive-compulsive disorder. Yes you heard me right - a mental illness. Look it up if you don't believe me.

I know I'm stepping on toes here, but people need to wake up and realize what they are doing. This post isn't against the people who shoot 100k/year training for competition, or those who shoot 20k/year in drills/practice. Its for the people who only shoot 1k/year or less and have this never-ending need to buy more, even when they have over 100k. There are new shooters, and young shooter who didn't have time or money to stock up before the panic. And those shooters can't get ammo much, much in part to those who suddenly decide they need 50k of .22.

And before any bum tries to say I'm whining about not finding any ammo: I sold most of my stock of .22 last year, as well as many of my other calibers to help out those who couldn't get any. I don't shoot as much as I use to, and saw no need to have as much ammo as I did. I'm still sitting on a case of .22, and it will be enough for me to last another 5 years. No hoarding here - just enough to be a prepared man.