Are public schools and their buildings a benefit to our modern day society? Are they really getting the job done, educating our children? I'm thinking it in these times and advanced technology we have, maybe they are just warehouses for kids to keep them out of trouble and parent's hair during the weekdays. I even question the value of having all of these expensive buildings in our communities. Educators are always asking for more tax money to tear down old ones and build new ones. Our kids don't seem to be gaining on other societies in education. I'm not smart enough to have THE answer for an alternative, but I think that it is high time that we think out-of-the box with regards to educating our youth, especially in these fast paced changes in technology. Public schools seem to be monuments to a bureaucracy of educators (by far the largest group of government workers) and administrators.
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Couple quick things, educators aren't asking for newer nicer buildings. ADMINISTRATORS do that, along with school boards. Being married to a teacher for the last 22 years, I can tell you the decline in parental involvement (beyond "its your fault my child didn't do his homework and played video games all night") is tremendous. The schools are being forced to teach more and more basic skills and morals to kids because parents will not.
Public schools are far far far from perfect, but a very large problem starts at home.... probably not in this group, but in general.
Public schools are far far far from perfect, but a very large problem starts at home.... probably not in this group, but in general.
You got that right about what's going on at home. Or phrase it, what's not going on at home. Our niece taught last year at a private Catholic grade school. When it came time to reup for classes this school year she told them nope. So they offered a nice tutoring gig from 11 to 2 on Tuesdays and Thursdays, making $50 an hour. They recently offered her a 4th grade class for next school year at the same school. Nope! She says the kids are out of control.
And why we homeschool.
And we even have shop class!! Current lesson includes construction, electrical, and low voltage data.
School systems are faced with administrative bureaucracies, undisciplined children, teacher unions, woke mentalities, curriculum deficiencies and political agendas. Take a good look at some universities and tell me what good schools are, at any level. They teach agenda, gender, porn, anti-American topics and more.
They are not there to teach the children, they are there to indoctrinate the children.
Home school or get another job to put your child in a decent private school.
They are not there to teach the children, they are there to indoctrinate the children.
Home school or get another job to put your child in a decent private school.
DragonGunner
Grandmaster
Schools started out with parents, and parents paying. Then in the 1800’s PA started public schools but only for the poor families. The government finally took full control by the 1950’s. In the beginning the schools taught the Bible first above all else, many if not all colleges also did. Took my 2 sons out of public school in 2nd and 4th grades. They did great without it. Very proud of them as adults today.
I remember my friend and I saying in HS when kids get to 14 they should have a chance to do something like to learn strictly a trade, or get into the military in some way, anything to start a career and get it going full time.
I’m told way back the Jews kids were cared for until age 12. Then at that age the boys went to work with their fathers. The Dads raised them and taught them their trade and they worked. Today we make them sit in class all day, and many we give drugs to keep them sedated….when what they need isn’t drugs but work activities. Then when home instead of playing or working it’s on the phone playing games.
What a mess we made.
I remember my friend and I saying in HS when kids get to 14 they should have a chance to do something like to learn strictly a trade, or get into the military in some way, anything to start a career and get it going full time.
I’m told way back the Jews kids were cared for until age 12. Then at that age the boys went to work with their fathers. The Dads raised them and taught them their trade and they worked. Today we make them sit in class all day, and many we give drugs to keep them sedated….when what they need isn’t drugs but work activities. Then when home instead of playing or working it’s on the phone playing games.
What a mess we made.
DragonGunner
Grandmaster
My wife and I have extensive experience with local High Schools including negotiating contracts, teaching and involvement with students outside of school.
Please state your long term experience with all students to reach these conclusions. It is great if you are dissatisfied with your children's public education that you have the resources and ability to homeschool them. Do you realize that very few can do this? So don't trash a system that is operating under our society's changing dynamics trying to educate the vast majority of the students.
Instead of complaining how about getting involved. If your so involved get on a school board and do what you can for others or does this strictly end with your own children?
Yes, the LARGEST problem is the absence of proper parental involvement. But what do you propose? Isolate yourself and complain about everyone else?
Do you want to trash a complete system for everyone that can't afford to home school yet want to educate their children?
Sure sounds like more gun control laws for law abiding people because a few bad actors act bad.
Just asking.
Don
Please state your long term experience with all students to reach these conclusions. It is great if you are dissatisfied with your children's public education that you have the resources and ability to homeschool them. Do you realize that very few can do this? So don't trash a system that is operating under our society's changing dynamics trying to educate the vast majority of the students.
Instead of complaining how about getting involved. If your so involved get on a school board and do what you can for others or does this strictly end with your own children?
Yes, the LARGEST problem is the absence of proper parental involvement. But what do you propose? Isolate yourself and complain about everyone else?
Do you want to trash a complete system for everyone that can't afford to home school yet want to educate their children?
Sure sounds like more gun control laws for law abiding people because a few bad actors act bad.
Just asking.
Don
Don’t leave out the the fact that in many communities the schools are the largest employer. They’re not only free daycare, free meals for the kids, they employ a lot of people.
DragonGunner
Grandmaster
I didn’t have the resources for private school… seeing I was making $16,000 a year back in the 90’s. Neither was either of us qualified to be teachers. God didn’t ask us to be. But God provided enough. They aren’t isolated, they are way more successful than I or my wife ever was! In there 30’s now and making 3-4 times the money I ever made in my life. They both have never takin a loan from a bank ever. Owe nothing and yet all their cars and houses are paid for. They don’t smoke or do drugs or even drink. But about 12 of their friends from school are now dead from over doses. I’m curious, do you think I did wrong to them. I saw and went through public school, wasn’t going to let them go down the same road I did in them. It’s free country you can raise them the way you want but don’t blast people for choosing what they know is right for their children.
DragonGunner
Grandmaster
Free? Tell that to the tax payers. The ones with no kids paying for the new school I hear really complain! lol.
I mean it’s “free” to the parents that will ****** and moan when they call a snow day or early dismissal and they have to actually pay someone to watch their kids for that day.
or send them in sick, with a fever etc so they don't have to deal with them. Wife had one parent with 6 children spreading from new born to middle school. She didn't work and refused to keep her sick kids home because "this is my time". Sorry *****, you couldn't keep your ****** legs closed or learn how to **** for fun, these kids are YOUR responsibility.
Wow! That is really backward.
Let’s start with the credentialism, that is crap. Enough is written concerning the failure of the education system that people know what is going on. And what is written has be continuously been getting worse and it doesn’t have to take an insider to know that.
The people I trust least to solve the problems are those being paid by the current system. @Leadeye says follow the money. They have a track record that goes the wrong way. Then when parents do try to get involved the credentialists try to shut them down and run them off.
The attempt to analogize schools to gun control is a joke, schools sure as heck are not on the side of freedom.
I don't know who originally said it but in business I've heard the criticism that is true in many aspects of life. It goes something like thie: Your systems are finely tuned to get the results you are getting.
I don't think so. Teachers are bailing left and right across the state. They just implemented another "certification" for teachers that requires 80 hours of classroom training for them to take over the summers when they are not under contract (i.e. not getting paid for it). And as always its silly bureaucratic nonsense like it usually is dictated from the state. So unless the results they want are an extreme teacher shortage, I don't think it's going how they thought it would.
Teachers should be teaching basic skills. As far as, morals, I think that is one of the things that teachers may want to stay away from. I've known young liberal teachers whose moral standards were very low (not pointing towards you) and often on display outside the classroom. My grandkids have some of their teachers who attend their church, just being there is a lesson. There will always be bad parents, bad kids and bad teachers. I didn't think that this would come to a teacher vs. parent argument as to public schools. I'd like to see a complete overhaul of the way we have public school. Some schools in a district seem successful, despite everything. Is it the demographics of the district or something else that makes them successful? Having bloated, administrative failures and seemingly, not improving student performance, is a problem for our society. Admittedly, liberals, taking away any consequences for bad behavior, has really tied the hands of teachers.
