Would you agree to a required class if...

[jamil]

Ohio classes are taught by private individuals/ranges/schools, and that is where the corruption lies.

"Give me money, you take the class, I give you a certificate. Don't want to take the class? I think we can work something out here."

But we're not talking about the end product being just a certificate. We're talking about walking out with a LTCH. That means everything that's done now to get one, background check through ISP, fingerprints, etc., plus the class.

KY requires training for their CCW. It's done by private individuals/ranges/schools. It is regulated, but I won't say it's not abused or even meaningful.

 

[N8RV]

I'm wondering where all of INGO's resident liberals are? Why aren't they chiming in? They were pretty vocal before the election, hearts all a-twitter over Obama's re-election.

How do they feel about their right to keep and bear arms being threatened by the same liberal machine that they voted into office?

Just wondering ...

 

[Bunnykid68]

Dude, not changing parameters. I thought the parameters were sufficiently implied. What other advantage could be implied from having a LTCH when walking out the door?

I"m not trying to pick an argument. I agree with no mandated training.

Now you want the people that have the privilege of having an LTCH to get more benefits?

As Scutter has said, repeatedly, no more compromises on our part, get rid of the LTCH no more fingerprinting, and start repealing these asinine gun laws that do nothing but impede the law abiding. Murder with a gun will still be illegal, wounding someone with a gun will still be illegal, committing a crime with a gun will still be illegal.

NO

 

[Bunnykid68]

But we're not talking about the end product being just a certificate. We're talking about walking out with a LTCH. That means everything that's done now to get one, background check through ISP, fingerprints, etc., plus the class.

KY requires training for their CCW. It's done by private individuals/ranges/schools. It is regulated, but I won't say it's not abused or even meaningful.

Kentucky lets you carry a handgun openly with no training or a permit/license last I heard

 

[sepe]

While training is great, I wouldn't be for this.

 

[Spike Jones 5 2002]

If like your driver license it is valid in every state.
Nobody should own a gun who never had any training.

 

[eldirector]

Nobody should own a gun who never had any training.

Ouch, really?

That is probably the most anti-liberty thing I have heard on this site. Ever.

 

[Spike Jones 5 2002]

If my carry permit is valid in every state just like my drivers license.
You can not just purchase a car and pick up a drivers license.
You can not just pick up a gun and know how to use it properly.
I owned a gun for 50 years. last year Norm Hood taught me a lot.
Now I shoot consistent tight groups, both hand gun and long gun.

 

[Que]

I wonder if people would be receptive to the idea of allowing local trainers/programs to be state-certified and anyone who takes their classes could receive their LTCH upon completion of the class?

Right now, the waiting period for a LTCH is approximately two months. The waiting period for some classes could be about the same, but at lease people can have the choice to take a local class or travel some distance to take one. So, it's possible that someone wanting a LTCH could have it within a week in most cases. It seems that a proposal like this would effectively take the process out of the States's hands and even further promote training among new gun owners.

 

[poptab]

If my carry permit is valid in every state just like my drivers license.
You can not just purchase a car and pick up a drivers license.
You can not just pick up a gun and know how to use it properly.
I owned a gun for 50 years. last year Norm Hood taught me a lot.
Now I shoot consistent tight groups, both hand gun and long gun.

Its not exactly rocket surgery. Driving a car isnt exactly hard either.

 

[gunowner930]

Government-mandated training? No, absolutely not.

 

[Bunnykid68]

I wonder if people would be receptive to the idea of allowing local trainers/programs to be state-certified and anyone who takes their classes could receive their LTCH upon completion of the class?

Right now, the waiting period for a LTCH is approximately two months. The waiting period for some classes could be about the same, but at lease people can have the choice to take a local class or travel some distance to take one. So, it's possible that someone wanting a LTCH could have it within a week in most cases. It seems that a proposal like this would effectively take the process out of the States's hands and even further promote training among new gun owners.

NO. Your 2nd sentence says it all, there is a waiting period to even exercise a Right.

 

[jamil]

Now you want the people that have the privilege of having an LTCH to get more benefits?

As Scutter has said, repeatedly, no more compromises on our part, get rid of the LTCH no more fingerprinting, and start repealing these asinine gun laws that do nothing but impede the law abiding. Murder with a gun will still be illegal, wounding someone with a gun will still be illegal, committing a crime with a gun will still be illegal.

NO

Dude, context matters. I don't advocate mandated training. But since the LTCH is currently a requirement to carry and stay out of jail, and is not likely to go away any time soon, I do advocate offering a simpler option to getting a LTCH. The "benefit" of this option is not the privilege of having a LTCH, but being able to walk away from the training, if that's the option I chose, with a LTCH and a handgun in my IWB.

Kentucky lets you carry a handgun openly with no training or a permit/license last I heard

I'm not sure why this particular response was necessary as OC is irrelevant to the context. But, I did say CCW because the context was people cheating the training requirements, not about OC with no permit. KY does require training for CCW.

BTW, I don't think I should need to be licensed to carry concealed or open. Either I have a right to protect myself or I don't. But like I said, that's the law and it isn't going to change in this political climate. So I keep the privileged pink card in my wallet because I don't like jail.

 

[MTC]

We have already conceded WAY too much. They always say "but these are just common sense, reasonable restrictions! It's just this one little thing, we promise!" Every. Single. Time.

No, sir. I will not make any more concessions. Not. One. And to ask me how I'd like to give up my Right but constrain me by saying "and I don't want to make this a Rights issue" is disingenuous, at best.

No kiddin'. "I don't wanna hear about your rights. I wanna know what you ...

would trade for the perceived ... "

... on the supposed grounds that ...

it may make the paranoid libs feel safer?

Umm, no.

 

[millsusaf]

I agree with you, but for a different reason,

I disagree on the grounds that we don't need special classes of citizens with special privileges.

Agree too. No one deserves special consideration.

 

[Que]

Kentucky lets you carry a handgun openly with no training or a permit/license last I heard

Can you legally carry concealed in Kentucky without a permit/license?

 

[Classic Liberal]

BTW, I don't think I should need to be licensed to carry concealed or open. Either I have a right to protect myself or I don't. But like I said, that's the law and it isn't going to change in this political climate. So I keep the privileged pink card in my wallet because I don't like jail.

I believe the same way. Doesn't this conflict with your willingness to compromise by receiving training?

You should just advocate for eliminating the carry license requirement. Other states are like this. Indiana has relaxed more firearm laws recently than I can remember, I don't thnk it is out of the realm of possibilities in the future.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Can you legally carry concealed in Kentucky without a permit/license?

Have to have the permit to CC in Kentucky and must take a training class that does not exceed 8 hours.

 

[Yodes]

I could see taking a class is if it allows me to carry in every other state in the U.S.A.

 

[indymike]

If it means reciprocity in more states, which it definitely would, then yes, I'd attend a class. I wouldn't learn anything but if it makes other states feel more cozy and let me CC in their states then I'd swallow that pill.