Woman With Pot of Boiling Water Shot Dead by Police

[DadSmith]

 

[HoughMade]

They make some really good points, but I disagree that she escalated the situation (which they said as part of a discussion of 'if I was his defense team'). I urge anyone interested to watch the video released by the Illinois State Police and not to rely on local news videos, most of which are edited down.

It's pretty clear that when he pulls the gun, the pot is sitting there. She put her hands up holding potholders, but not the pot, and dropped to the floor. Then, as he approached over the counter, she reached up for the pot and then threw it. It was all in seconds, but that was the sequence.

 

[manifest destiny]

The offending officer was allowed to view another officer's bwc before he wrote his report? Maybe that is allowed, but it seems like an attempt at cya.

 

[BigRed]

The offending officer was allowed to view another officer's bwc before he wrote his report? Maybe that is allowed, but it seems like an attempt at cya.

Oh, I expect his *** will be covered before too long. Bogs and The Sisters will be all over that fresh fish when he shows up.

 

[Expat]

I had to dump some boiling water in the sink today. I felt some anxiety…

 

[d.kaufman]

I had to dump some boiling water in the sink today. I felt some anxiety…

But did you rebuke it first?

 

[foszoe]

I had to dump some boiling water in the sink today. I felt some anxiety…

That right there is the problem. You think it's all about you.

What about the sink, the garbage disposal if you have one, the plastic drain pipe?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The offending officer was allowed to view another officer's bwc before he wrote his report? Maybe that is allowed, but it seems like an attempt at cya.

Generally allowed on all but the most ran-by-liberals PDs, and for the same reasons viewing video surveillance of a theft is. The report is *supposed* to be a factual account of events, not just the perspective of the author, which is necessarily limited.

The use of force decision is based on the perspective of the person who used the force, which is a separate thing.

 

[HoughMade]

I REBUKE boiled chicken!

 

[foszoe]

I REBUKE boiled chicken!

I can handle boiled chicken.

Wife crockpotted a pork loin in water that I had wanted to grill. Since I am not getting around so well at the moment, I guess I took too long at getting around to grilling it.

Over 3/4 of it is still sitting way back in the fridge. I am trying to feed a little to the dog at a time, but the pitiful look he gives me when I feed it to him is really hitting me hard.

 

[Tryin']

You guys looking for a slightly dented high mileage LT with investigative experience? Asking for a friend.

Oh yes. I think we have 3 former IMPD now. Come put 10 in and have a second retirement...

 

[Denny347]

You guys looking for a slightly dented high mileage LT with investigative experience? Asking for a friend.

NO!!!! Then who would entertain me on my scenes? You'd be soooooooo bored .

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Oh yes. I think we have 3 former IMPD now. Come put 10 in and have a second retirement...

We will see what this contract brings. For my friend, I mean. Of course.

 

[manifest destiny]

Generally allowed on all but the most ran-by-liberals PDs, and for the same reasons viewing video surveillance of a theft is. The report is *supposed* to be a factual account of events, not just the perspective of the author, which is necessarily limited.

The use of force decision is based on the perspective of the person who used the force, which is a separate thing.

Before you leave impd and run off to greener pastures with your dents and high milage, I want to make sure I understand... *In general* an officer is allowed to review bwc footage of his actions (force) before he writes a report explaining his actions? His own footage? Footage from other officers too?

It's not a gotcha question. I'm simply concerned that allowing what amounts to "video hindsight" also allows for reports that may be written in "hindsight".

 

[Tryin']

NO!!!! Then who would entertain me on my scenes? You'd be soooooooo bored .

Honestly, that's tough sometimes. We don't get much rough work up here if that's what gets you out of bed. More smile and wave than duck and cover. You should come with...

 

[Tryin']

Before you leave impd and run off to greener pastures with your dents and high milage, I want to make sure I understand... *In general* an officer is allowed to review bwc footage of his actions (force) before he writes a report explaining his actions? His own footage? Footage from other officers too?

It's not a gotcha question. I'm simply concerned that allowing what amounts to "video hindsight" also allows for reports that may be written in "hindsight".

Yes. If he's gonna get hung with the footage every time there is some tiny discrepancy, he **** well better get to see it first.

To emphasize BBIs point, the report is supposed to be a factual representation of the occurred event. Camera footage reviews aid the officers ability to accurately portray the events. Witness interviews, suspect statements, and conversational cues can be much more accurately depicted via review than by merely relying on short term memory.

I'm not sure what you are driving at with the hindsight commentary. I've never written a report "in the moment". It's all hindsight. The event is over, your participation is through. All the event information is compiled, sorted, and then regurgitated in the report.

 

[Denny347]

Before you leave impd and run off to greener pastures with your dents and high milage, I want to make sure I understand... *In general* an officer is allowed to review bwc footage of his actions (force) before he writes a report explaining his actions? His own footage? Footage from other officers too?

It's not a gotcha question. I'm simply concerned that allowing what amounts to "video hindsight" also allows for reports that may be written in "hindsight".

Well, it will depend on individual department policies. However, IMPD officer are required to view their BWC footage prior to writing up their use of force report. They can only access their own footage. Other officers can play theirs in front of the reporting officer so he/she can see it. Only supervisors have open access to footage.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, it will depend on individual department policies. However, IMPD officer are required to view their BWC footage prior to writing up their use of force report. They can only access their own footage. Other officers can play theirs in front of the reporting officer so he/she can see it. Only supervisors have open access to footage.

Yeah, but everybody gets to see the funny ones, right?

 

[manifest destiny]

Well, it will depend on individual department policies. However, IMPD officer are required to view their BWC footage prior to writing up their use of force report. They can only access their own footage. Other officers can play theirs in front of the reporting officer so he/she can see it. Only supervisors have open access to footage.

Thank you.

Yes. If he's gonna get hung with the footage every time there is some tiny discrepancy, he **** well better get to see it first.

Thin blue line, huh? Even if a cop shoots a lady for touching the pan he "lawfully" directed her to touch? I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate. I'm simply trying to understand the process and I thought I asked the question respectfully. Sometimes tiny discrepancies matter. But that wasn't my point.

 

[Tryin']

Thank you.

Thin blue line, huh? Even if a cop shoots a lady for touching the pan he "lawfully" directed her to touch? I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate. I'm simply trying to understand the process and I thought I asked the question respectfully. Sometimes tiny discrepancies matter. But that wasn't my point.

You specifically stated *in general*, my response has nothing to do with the specific allegations or facts of this case. I was adding to my post when you posted, which may make it a bit clearer.

I'm not sure what the "thin blue line" has to do with reviewing bwc footage.