Im wondering which one of the two going out thd front assumed room temperature. Im assuming the taller one in the back. Looked like he rired at least one time back in her general direction.
From watching this linked video without audio, it seems BBI might be making assumptions beyond what can actually be determined from watching the vid. The BGs seemed to become "hesitant" for a small period of time before "full-on flight" began, and the lady is not visible during that time, so you cannot determine how many shots had been fired before they turned into "track stars" (and you cannot tell how many shots that firearm holds by looking at that video - so counting flashes and observing slide lock will not allow you to back-deduce when the first shot was). At the time, it may not have been clear to all the BGs "who" fired the first shot, since they themselves are "armed" according to the story. By comparison, I've seen videos where the human reaction at the initial shot was to look around and assume a crouched "deer in headlights" posture (ie, still potentially "engaged" in the situation), then "aholes and elbows" retreat begins after the second shot.
So although having a small-cap gun is probably 90% as good as having more, across a broad number of occurrences, given all the moving pieces in this particular scenario, I don't think any reasonable person can view it and conclude with certainty the results would have been the same had she been armed with a single-shot shotgun. If she's on empty, particulary if she's visibly fumbling to reload, and the BGs are still there, hesitant but still potentially engaged (and given that they're armed), I can see this turning out very differently.
If these guys had been tweakers high out of their minds, it could have been a different story. But as it was they were sober enough to understand it was time to "run like the wind".
The news report I read said that it was not the lady's house. She is a restaurant manager and stayed at a co-worker's house (I assume the homeowner is that doofus guy that walked down the hall after it was all over). Oh, and the reason that she was firing one handed is because she was using her other hand to call 911. She did great. No need to Monday morning QB it.
So you think "tweakers high out of their minds would be able to accurately shoot back". Or you claiming they could take a lot of shots from her .45 and keep coming? I don't think so. She didn't have time to give them a drug test. She did a fine job.
So you think "tweakers high out of their minds would be able to accurately shoot back". Or you claiming they could take a lot of shots from her .45 and keep coming? I don't think so. She didn't have time to give them a drug test. She did a fine job.
I think the point is that in a one on three battle her charging in and then emptying her magazine may not have been the best strategy... She's got no additional magazines at ready and could have quickly been overpowered had the three individuals behaved differently.
That being said, again she got the job done, and it's very hard to know what you would do in the same situation...late at night, half asleep in the dark with adrenaline....
no...
Yes. Exactly. If they are too doped up to have the common sense to run when shot at or have no fear about her gun, she would have been hosed. Kinda like this guy and his family.
[video=youtube;7F1nPSNnaBo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F1nPSNnaBo[/video]
Its always good to have enough bullets still in your mag(s) to defend yourself until the cops get there.
We are all just guessing based on the video here.
I would say that she did not have a spare mag as she did not use it when her pistol went dry. She walked around for some time with it that way, then let the guy take it from her never to be seen again.
How long before the police arrived anyway? Maybe he wanted to be sure she didn't get shot by an over-zealous deputy, after that exchange with the cretinous dispatcher?
From watching this linked video without audio, it seems BBI might be making assumptions beyond what can actually be determined from watching the vid. The BGs seemed to become "hesitant" for a small period of time before "full-on flight" began, and the lady is not visible during that time, so you cannot determine how many shots had been fired before they turned into "track stars" (and you cannot tell how many shots that firearm holds by looking at that video - so counting flashes and observing slide lock will not allow you to back-deduce when the first shot was). At the time, it may not have been clear to all the BGs "who" fired the first shot, since they themselves are "armed" according to the story. By comparison, I've seen videos where the human reaction at the initial shot was to look around and assume a crouched "deer in headlights" posture (ie, still potentially "engaged" in the situation), then "aholes and elbows" retreat begins after the second shot.
So although having a small-cap gun is probably 90% as good as having more, across a broad number of occurrences, given all the moving pieces in this particular scenario, I don't think any reasonable person can view it and conclude with certainty the results would have been the same had she been armed with a single-shot shotgun. If she's on empty, particulary if she's visibly fumbling to reload, and the BGs are still there, hesitant but still potentially engaged (and given that they're armed), I can see this turning out very differently.
On a related note, BBI, do you have any data on how effective alarm systems are in situations like this? How often do they stick around and try to defeat the sirens and/or change gears into a "grab what you can in 30 seconds so you at least get SOMETHING. (residential only, excluding retail store smash and grabs where they go in anticipating an alarm)