Wolf Ammo Stuck In Match Chamber

[woundedyak]

I guess I am an ammo snob. I have read that shooting steel case ammo out of your AR's is not a good thing to do. I don't know for a fact but this is what I have read on other forums. That the steel case ammo can break your extractor. Also that if you are going to shoot steel case, you should stick with it the day your out, and not mix brass and steel on the same trip or you can end up with one stuck in the chamber. Also Bushmaster at one time on their website said if you shoot Wolf ammo you will void your warranty on their rifles. I have only ever shot brass cased ammo out of any AR I have ever owned.

+1. When I first started out with AR'S. That's kind of a common thing I heard was "stay away from steel case" So I always have. But, I do know a guy who feeds his bone stock double star cases of wolf with no problems.

 

[BushmasterM4]

It's not a Colt. My Colts eat everything I feed them! It was suppsed to be an LMT but I could never find this configuration listed anywhere. I did find a Bushmaster listed in this configuration and it has a keyhole stamped receiver. I got it cleaned and inspected, hopefully can shoot it next week.

Now I need to figure out a hammer follow problem on another AR....

Sorry about that, I misread one of your posts. Hopefully, you won't have any problems next week. Let me know about your hammer problem and Good luck. Talk to you later.

 

[Limpy88]

i would say the problem is the ammo, but not because the ammo is bad. it is the tight tolerances of a match gun. some guns say .223 can still run 5.56. but match gun a usally so presice it is not recommend. like fireball said there is very little breach cut because it is a match barrel. less movement to put them in the same place everything time to have the best accuary. same reason no m4 feed ramps on match guns.

 

[fireball168]

like fireball said there is very little breach cut because it is a match barrel.

I said nothing of the sort.

Unless it is just the flash/angle of the camera - doesn't look like there is much of a chamber entrance bevel, if any.

Having a proper breech radius cut doesn't affect the accuracy potential of the chamber/barrel.

A barrel without a breech radius cut isn't an indication of a "match" barrel - more an indicator of shoddy workmanship and believed cost savings.

 

[223 Gunner]

Different topic, same thread. COLT556, I'm not sure what your hammer problem is, but I know the first time I built a lower, I had the hammer sring on backwards. It is a common, and easy mistake too make, so I don't know if the AR in question is one that was built, but that is something to check. Just look at it compared to another lower.

 

[buzz815]

In a six hour shift on the range I had four stuck cases I had to deal with. All were steel cased ammo and all were in ARs.

 

[Limpy88]

A barrel without a breech radius cut isn't an indication of a "match" barrel - more an indicator of shoddy workmanship and believed cost savings.

i was unaware of that, thanks for the clarification.

 

[shawkpilot]

My Bushmaster has had Wolf ammo stuck 3 times. Then I quit using it!

 

[Colt556]

After looking at the chamber and cleaning everything up as best I could it's all back together. The chamber on this bbl does appear to be more of a 90 degree angle versus having a bevel. It definitely doesn't look like my Comp HB or other ARs. A friend will be shooting it tomorrow for me, I can't make it, and will be giving me a report. I think it will need to have the chamber mouth beveled, if that's what Fireball said, but we'll see. Thanks for the tips. I'll let you know what happens tomorrow.

 

[IndyMonkey]

What, are you busy tomorrow?

Oh wait I remember he's going early.

 

[Colt556]

What, are you busy tomorrow?

Oh wait I remember he's going early.

Yes Monkey Boy, he's leaving his house at 7am and only has a little time in the morning. For me to be there by 7 I'd have to leave my house at 6ish. I'll be up till then....

 

[Colt556]

How is the bevel cut in the chamber? Is it done in a lathe, mill?

 

[downzero]

I've never had any problems with Wolf ammo in any AR. Before I started handloading all of my ammo, I used Wolf almost exclusively.

 

[Colt556]

I've never had any problems with Wolf ammo in any AR. Before I started handloading all of my ammo, I used Wolf almost exclusively.

This is the 1st issue I've had with it and I've shot 1000s of rounds of it in several different rifles. I think the problem is the non beveled chamber like Fireball said and possibly a tight chamber to begin with. Hopefully it will be worked out soon.

 

[downzero]

This is the 1st issue I've had with it and I've shot 1000s of rounds of it in several different rifles. I think the problem is the non beveled chamber like Fireball said and possibly a tight chamber to begin with. Hopefully it will be worked out soon.

Yeah that definitely makes sense. I think people hate on Wolf ammo just because it's cheap. I've never found anything wrong with it.

 

[fireball168]

How is the bevel cut in the chamber? Is it done in a lathe, mill?

I have the breech radius ground into my roughing reamers.

I suppose one could do it by hand, if they had the reamer - otherwise go in with a small boring bar on the lathe.

 

[AllenM]

I ran some rounds through this upper this morning, no jambs with good ammo and it shot nice groups but I had a little problem with parallax on the scope I am sure it would shoot much nicer groups than this, seems to me just to tight of a chamber for lacquer wolf ammo

not very good pic

 

[Colt556]

That's good news. I'll stick to good brass cased ammo in this rifle. Now to figure out the hammer follow. Talked to the guy I bought the lower from and he said it was a Match Trigger set up from Stag. I'll bring another lower out so we can compare the two. Thanks for your help Allen!!

 

[ROLEXrifleman]

I havent read all 4 pages of this thread well, and not to add more to the fire but what is teh extractor like? Is it new with a nice strong spring? 9x out of 10 if it was a stuck case the extractor would have ripped that rim right off. Also, what was your string of fire like? 4 rapid fire shots or was there a pause in between?

The reason I ask is you may have a few things going.

1) Match chamber = tight!
2) Laquer on cases might have had enough time to cook in teh chamber getting the varnish to stick if your doing pauses in betwen shots.
3) Tacky stuck case in chamber with a weak extractor just means teh extractor would come right off the rim.

Just some more fuel for the fire. Let us know how it turns out.

 

[skeetman28]

I was told that whatever they put on the cases is like a laquer and when things heat up ...things start sticking....