Why is the 10mm so unpopular????

[BowhuntnHoosier]

I agree that the .357 magnum and .45acp are great rounds but you have the higher ballistics and higher round capacity in the 10mm G20. I get 15+1 in my G20 most 1911 style weapons to my knowledge only get 8+1 at the most. This thread was not to argue between calibers or get butt hurt. It was a simple question to why more do not shoot or own the 10mm. I would love to own all calibers I do not think the .45 is a bad round at all. But actually 10mm vs .45acp or .357mag is apples to oranges.

 

[oldpink]

FWIW, there seems to be a resurgence of interest in 10mm, with both Sig and Springfield Armory fairly recently offering production guns in that caliber.
Also, with the likes of Underwood, the factory ammo situation of offering proper full power loads that fully exploit this excellent caliber has never been better.
My one and only carry gun is a full size third generation S&W 10mm, and it's quite comfortable and conceals completely, big as it is.
The key is to invest in a proper top quality holster, in my case the fantastic Kramer IWB#2 in horsehide.
It's making a comeback, thanks to more people having recognized what an excellent caliber it is, basically an auto pistol caliber that outperforms the hottest .357 Magnum loads.
btw...I shoot nothing but full power loads out of mine, and while it's certainly clear that it's very powerful, there's nothing unpleasant or uncontrollable about it.
It also inspires supreme confidence.

 

[in625shooter]

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I have a Coonan .357 1911 and gives up nothing to a 10mm. I shot Buffalo Bore .357 magnum 158 grain through a chronograph and it averaged 1554 fps which calculates to 847 ft-lbs of energy. That said I'm still interested in getting a 10mn eventually.

Respectfully have to disagree. While on paper it appears that way, it is only with the lighter downloaded 10mm offerings. In true as it was invented loadings the 10mm will out perform the 357 (and I love a 357 mag and if I could only have one gun thats what I would have). Your Buffalo bore 357 is loaded hotter than most 357 original offerings where the 10 mm offerings you compare it too are loaded down form their original loadings.

One thing you also have to consider is the ballistic coefficient and sectional density. While the 10mmif .401 to the .358 of a 357 it does make a difference on penitration, expansion etc. especially at the original offerings.

I mean drop a V8 in a vega and it will out run a V6 in a Nova....just sayin

 

[oldpink]

When the 10 came out it was costly to buy the gun. Then the guns started to brake. It was claimed that the round was to hot for the 1911 design. Some custom makers beefed up the frames and put in heavy springs and it worked. Then they cost over $1500 back then. That put a lot of people off the brand.

Now today you can go the Glock path for about $600 and load your own and it isn't to bad of a deal. Now if you are going to go the 1911 style or custom and spend a lot of bucks I would rather go with the 357mag and be dun with it. You only give up 100 FPS to the 10mm using 180 gr bullets. I think there is still two Co. that make the 357 mag in a 1911 style pistol.

Now I am not trying to step on any nerves here But, this is the listings of a 200 gr bullets from Hornady reloading book.

The 10 mm lists a 200 gr bullet at a max load of 1150 FPS.

The 45 ACP lists a 200 gr bullet at a max load at 1000 FPS.

The 44 mag lists a 200 gr bullet at a max load at 1600 FPS.

The 44 mag lists a 200 gr bullet in a TC at 2000 FPS max load.

Now I have said it before and I will say it again. The 10 mm has nothing but 150 FPS over a 45 with a smaller bullet. What is the big deal? Why would I want to abuse the weapon or my self for 150 FPS more than a 45. Now some one will come up with you can buy Corban rounds that give it more power. They do the same thing for the 45. I don't want to use any of that type of ammo in any of my guns. They cost to much and I have other weapons that have more power if I need it.

Now if you need a lot of power I would go with the 44mag and kick it down to about 1400 FPS and be dun with it. If you need more power than that it's time to go to a rifle.

When I load for my 45 I go for a 850 FPS with a 230 gr bullet. In my 44 mag 4" barrel I go for a 1100 FPS. In the 8" and 7" I go for 1300 FPS using 240 gr bullets. If that don't do what I want I will pick up a rifle. 243, 308, or go all out and grab the 358 Winchester. There isn't much in this country that it can't take down. If it can take a well placed hit with a 358 Winchester using a 225 gr bullet and still keep coming, I don't want to hunt it.[/QUOTE
I have a Coonan .357 1911 and gives up nothing to a 10mm. I shot Buffalo Bore .357 magnum 158 grain through a chronograph and it averaged 1554 fps which calculates to 847 ft-lbs of energy. That said I'm still interested in getting a 10mn eventually.

I have to tell you that the 10mm can do MUCH better than 1150 with a 200 grain bullet.
Evidence?
https://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-200-grain-jacketed-hollow-point/
Also, while the 150 fps muzzle velocity difference in favor of 10mm you listed may not sound like all that much, and while muzzle energy may not be the ultimate determinent of a given round's effectiveness, it should be noted that bullet energy goes up exponentially as muzzle velocity goes up.
That 1000 fps with 200 grain bullet you quoted for .45 ACP comes out to 444 foot pounds.
That 1150 fps with 200 grain bullet you quoted for 10mm comes out to 587 foot pounds.
Underwood's 1250 fps with their 200 grain bullet comes out to a whopping 694 foot pounds.
Not that .45 ACP is any kind of anemic round, but there's a reason that often state troopers and sheriff's deputies in Alaska carry 10mm iin preference to .45 ACP.

 

[shibumiseeker]

I have to tell you that the 10mm can do MUCH better than 1150 with a 200 grain bullet.
Evidence?
https://www.underwoodammo.com/10mm-auto-200-grain-jacketed-hollow-point/
Also, while the 150 fps muzzle velocity difference in favor of 10mm you listed may not sound like all that much, and while muzzle energy may not be the ultimate determinent of a given round's effectiveness, it should be noted that bullet energy goes up exponentially as muzzle velocity goes up.
That 1000 fps with 200 grain bullet you quoted for .45 ACP comes out to 444 foot pounds.
That 1150 fps with 200 grain bullet you quoted for 10mm comes out to 587 foot pounds.
Underwood's 1250 fps with their 200 grain bullet comes out to a whopping 694 foot pounds.
Not that .45 ACP is any kind of anemic round, but there's a reason that often state troopers and sheriff's deputies in Alaska carry 10mm iin preference to .45 ACP.

Yep. My 10mm nuclear rounds run about 800ft-lbs.

I have a friend who works at a range near Anchorage and he sends me 10mm and .44mag brass while I send him 38super and other larger caliber rifle oddball brass I get when I am scrounging. His last shipment to me was over 2000 pieces of 10mm. He says they have about the same 10mm as .45, and not nearly as much .40 and 9mm as we have down here where I might find one 10mm for every hundred 9mm.

 

[BFR50-110]

Respectfully have to disagree. While on paper it appears that way, it is only with the lighter downloaded 10mm offerings. In true as it was invented loadings the 10mm will out perform the 357 (and I love a 357 mag and if I could only have one gun thats what I would have). Your Buffalo bore 357 is loaded hotter than most 357 original offerings where the 10 mm offerings you compare it too are loaded down form their original loadings.

One thing you also have to consider is the ballistic coefficient and sectional density. While the 10mmif .401 to the .358 of a 357 it does make a difference on penitration, expansion etc. especially at the original offerings.

I mean drop a V8 in a vega and it will out run a V6 in a Nova....just sayin

I agree that most 10mm is loaded down, i will say a lot of .357 magnum ammo is also. Buffalo bore also loads full power 10mm and it is rated at 728 fpe. I believe the original .357 magnum load was a 158 grain load rated at 1500 fps out of an 8-3/8" barrel. The buffalo bore is 158 grain rated at 1457fps out of a 5" S&W 27. The Coonan does not have a barrel/cylinder gap like on a revolver so that accounts for at least part of the increased velocity. It looks like it is pretty close to the original claimed ballistics of the .357 out of a revolver. Obviously muzzle energy isn't everything and if you shoot similar weight/construction bullets between the two than the 10mm should make a bigger hole and the .357 should penetrate slightly deeper all things being equal. Buffalo bore says that their .357 ammo is loaded to SAAMI specs so i dont believe it runs at abnormally high pressure. No offense taken and no disrespect meant. I will say that I have not personally chronographed any 10mm so I'm going by manufacturer claims there.

 

[Hiker1911]

It was competing for popularity, and it lost.

Other questions go something like:
--Did manufacturers offer enough models in that caliber (way back when) to give a fair number of people the opportunity to try 10mm?

--Did magazine editors, and writers evaluate it fairly, or pile-on against it-thereby influencing the buying public into sharing their opinion, instead of giving the public more of a chance to form their own (unbiased) opinion about that caliber?

BTW, any 10mm resurgence does seem obvious in the many store's that I frequent.

 

[in625shooter]

It was competing for popularity, and it lost.

Other questions go something like:
--Did manufacturers offer enough models in that caliber (way back when) to give a fair number of people the opportunity to try 10mm?

--Did magazine editors, and writers evaluate it fairly, or pile-on against it-thereby influencing the buying public into sharing their opinion, instead of giving the public more of a chance to form their own (unbiased) opinion about that caliber?

BTW, any 10mm resurgence does seem obvious in the many store's that I frequent.

I feel that what killed the 10mm is the FBI coming out with the light version as well as we were entering an era of let's just say. More diverse population of applicants and with the 40 giving 10mm light performance in a smaller package. KY and VA state Police loved it but changed out of nessecity. It is a great round and I would love to see more of a resurgence but doubt it will even catch up to even what the 357 Sig even is today.

Like the 41 mag, sometimes things work too good! LOL

 

[6mm Shoot]

in625shooter I didn't post any thing about the Coonan 1911, that was added by BFR50-110. In fact I put in my post that according to Hornady the 10mm max load of 180 gr bullet beats the 357 180 gr loading by 100 FPS and I would still take the 357 over the 10mm.

The reason for that is I like the 357 and already have all the stuff to load for it. I also have a couple 357 revolvers. The Coonan would be a nice addition to my collection if they didn't cost so much.

shibumiseeker I stated in my post that someone would bring up Corbun or some such ammo that is loaded past most others. I don't use such ammo. I don't abuse my guns, they cost to much to come by. I just go to a bigger round if I think I need more power. Like the 44mag.

I never use max loads. Like I stated in my first post I kick the 44 mag back to 1300 FPS. That is well below max. Now my feeling is that if I need more power than what I can get out of a 44 mag then I need a rifle. Yes I know they make a 450, 480 and a 50 all in hand guns and that is great for the people that like them. Just like it's great that people like you like the 10mm. I still stand by the 45, it works for me and it keep me and mine safe. I have three Glocks and one 1911. I know how to use them all and enjoy shooting them all. The Glock 36 gets the most use and I have it on me most of the time. It only holds 7 rounds in the mag and one in the chamber and I don't even carry a extra mag.

Where I live there is little chance of me being in a shooting. Then there is a chance and that is why I carry.

 

[in625shooter]

in625shooter I didn't post any thing about the Coonan 1911, that was added by BFR50-110. In fact I put in my post that according to Hornady the 10mm max load of 180 gr bullet beats the 357 180 gr loading by 100 FPS and I would still take the 357 over the 10mm.

The reason for that is I like the 357 and already have all the stuff to load for it. I also have a couple 357 revolvers. The Coonan would be a nice addition to my collection.

Totally understand.

 

[jamil]

Can't remember where I saw it, but not long ago I saw a statement of the reason for the 10mm not being more popular. It went something like this: if you're not shooting 10mm it's because it hurts your girly hands.

Santa brought me a RIA 10mm for Christmas. It's now my favorite pistol to shoot. It's just fun. Expensive to shoot but fun. If I had a place to reload I'd do that and shoot it more.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Can't remember where I saw it, but not long ago I saw a statement of the reason for the 10mm not being more popular. It went something like this: if you're not shooting 10mm it's because it hurts your girly hands.

Santa brought me a RIA 10mm for Christmas. It's now my favorite pistol to shoot. It's just fun. Expensive to shoot but fun. If I had a place to reload I'd do that and shoot it more.

Well, it's in mm so it's metric so it's European so it's wrong. Real 'Muricans shoot things with decimal points out of their handguns. .45, .357, and .44...the Holy Trinity of Calibers.

 

[Wild Deuce]

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[mistersmith]

Well, it's in mm so it's metric so it's European so it's wrong. Real 'Muricans shoot things with decimal points out of their handguns. .45, .357, and .44...the Holy Trinity of Calibers.

Yep, nailed it. I hate working on my lawn mower and can't find the right socket, then I realize it is metric and I rounded over the head of the bolt. If it was the .40 magnum it probably would be easier to sell. Metric in my mind is always wrong.

 

[jamil]

Well, it's in mm so it's metric so it's European so it's wrong. Real 'Muricans shoot things with decimal points out of their handguns. .45, .357, and .44...the Holy Trinity of Calibers.

I also prefer the trigger guard mag release on HKs and Walthers.. Oh ****! what if Imma a socialist!?




Seriously though, wasn't it originally called .40 Super? Either way, I'm not prejudiced. Decimal points or mm's. They are all equally welcome in my safe.

 

[Expat]

Interesting. I have never thought "GLOCK" when I hear "10mm."

This is what I see in my mind's eye when I hear 10mm ...

Beautiful pistol. I wouldn't be thinking about a Glock either.

 

[BugI02]

I could be tempted to go with this

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[Expat]

Here is my Sig 10.

 

[oldpink]

Here is my Sig 10.
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Congrats on scoring that little beauty.
My own:

 

[Que]

If I chose to own a 10mm, I would like it to be a revolver.