Why do CZs seem to rule USPSA Production matches?

[kawtech87]

they are the flavor of the month. simple answer but if you look at the history top shooters never stick with any gun for long someone is always coming out with the new next best thing.... and before you naysayers jump in there are always exceptions

Hmm, not really. CZ is kind of a black sheep everywhere except the competition circles. How many people do you know, besides those on here that are professed CZ nuts (myself included) do you know that carry one? None or few I'd imagine. However In most competitions anywhere in the world I would bet you would find more CZs or clones than almost any other pistol platform. And at least one shooter with a CZ or clone would probably be somewhere on the podium at the end of it.

Of course I could be wrong too IDK.

 

[Birds Away]

Hey, who you callin' nuts?

 

[kawtech87]

Hey, who you callin' nuts?

I included myself in that statement so.... Us.

 

[Birds Away]

I included myself in that statement so.... Us.

Question: What do you call something that is better than perfection?

 

[Rob377]

Hmm, not really. CZ is kind of a black sheep everywhere except the competition circles. How many people do you know, besides those on here that are professed CZ nuts (myself included) do you know that carry one? None or few I'd imagine. However In most competitions anywhere in the world I would bet you would find more CZs or clones than almost any other pistol platform. And at least one shooter with a CZ or clone would probably be somewhere on the podium at the end of it.

Of course I could be wrong too IDK.

thats pretty much correct. There isn't any other design that is as heavily represented in the top 10 at USPSA production nationals over the course of the last decade as the CZ and its clones.

But non competitors wouldn't know that. Won't keep them from pontificating about why it's so dominant in competition though.

 

[Birds Away]

Trying to marginalize the proven competition track record of the CZ kind of reminds me of the Obamacare apologizers. If you believe something hard enough it simply must be true.

 

[FishnHunt]

Shoot what you have until you know what you like. Your a MP FS will serve you well while you are learning.

You won't be competitive until you start competing. Shoot what you have until you know what you want.

Of all the advice usually given to new shooters, this is the most ignored....

-rvb

I'm really trying to listen to this, but it's damn hard while looking at all those sexy custom 2011's... I know I can't outrun my M&P, so there's no use in dropping 2-3k on anything other than ammo.

 

[kawtech87]

Question: What do you call something that is better than perfection?

A Cajunized CZ?

 

[downrange72]

All kidding aside, it's simple:

Heavy steel guns with good triggers are easier to shoot quickly and accurately than light plastic guns with crappy triggers.

Well it only took two pages to get to the point. LOL

I am about to have 3 guns go up on classifieds to buy the one :O

 

[downrange72]

Being an Open shooter, I may not make it to the street. More likely to get killed at home, probably in my robe.

with a E cigarette in your mouth.................................................................................

 

[rvb]

There isn't any other design that is as heavily represented in the top 10 at USPSA production nationals over the course of the last decade as the CZ and its clones.

last decade? Maybe... I've never followed top guys' gear closely. I'd have guessed last 3-4 years, maybe...
before stoegger switched from a 92, who was shooting CZ/clones? Hobdell? maybe Mink? 5-10 yrs ago it was sevigny and vogel winning with glocks, and maybe something non-glock mixed in.
Most recent data I could find was from '09 nationals. Ironically one of the subheadlines in the March '10 Front Sight was "Production Shooters Look at S&W." Glock had 49% of the nationals market share, S&W 21% and CZ around 13%.

Here is a quote from the March '09 Front Sight regarding the '08 Nationals...
"

Strong as the Glock is, all of itsmain competitors (CZ, S&W, Springfield,and Sig), took little one- or twopercentbites out of Glock's pie, pullingGlock's market share down from 58percent in 2007, to 52 percent in 2008.I would expect that trend to continue,except that this year Glockshooters won practically everything insight, taking the Production, Limited-10, ladies' Production, ladies' Limited,and ladies' Limited-10 titles. The newguns can claim some advantages, butthey're competing against the Glock'sstrong track record, capped by thisyear's amazing performance by Team​

Glock.
"

edit: quick google shows partial list of who was shooting what in '09 in the top 16 at nats
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92290
Looks like 3 of the top 16, Hobdell, Mink, and Miguez

 

[rvb]

All kidding aside, it's simple:

Heavy steel guns with good triggers are easier to shoot quickly and accurately than light plastic guns with crappy triggers.

Well it only took two pages to get to the point. LOL

Let's not forget the "the guy winning is using one" factor. The other reasons are seriously legit reasons, but I bet there's a lot of that happening as well...

I wonder what the reaction would be if Vogel came back to a production nationals and won. Would we start to see more glocks in the top 16 again, or would we hear a more "indian, not the arrow" rhetoric and people would rock on with their unicorns?

-rvb

 

[Rob377]

Don't be jelly of the unicorn.

 

[seedubs1]

So that's all the $650 custom work at CGW gets you

That's very interesting. Just a little buff and polish, huh?

 

[Rob377]

You're paying for the knowledge of what parts to polish and how much as well.

 

[Rob377]

Let's not forget the "the guy winning is using one" factor. The other reasons are seriously legit reasons, but I bet there's a lot of that happening as well...

I wonder what the reaction would be if Vogel came back to a production nationals and won. Would we start to see more glocks in the top 16 again, or would we hear a more "indian, not the arrow" rhetoric and people would rock on with their unicorns?

-rvb

"The guy winning has one" effect is most definitely responsible for the increase in stock 2 market price though. A few years ago, you get get them for less than MSRP. Now, a used one at 150% MSRP will get snapped up in less than 20 minutes posted on enos.


I'm hoping Gutt will do the same to the limited pro market.

 

[rhino]

Hah! I don't need a CZ to suck any more than I already do. I shot all of my Production classifiers poorly with a S&W 5904 and a Sig P226 years ago.

Plus, Production Division equipment rules are stupid.

 

[Birds Away]

Don't be skeered, Rhino. Here, just come take a sip. It's very good stuff....

 

[rhino]

Don't be skeered, Rhino. Here, just come take a sip. It's very good stuff....

I had a CZ75B from about 1995 to . . . few years later. It was only gun I ever owned that had no malfunctions of any kind, but I could either reach the trigger or reach the thumb safety, not both with the same grip. And if I gripped it so I could reach the trigger, the downsloping tang sent the recoil impulse right into my thumb where it meets my hand. I traded it for part of a payment on a 1911.

The more evolved descendants of the CZ75 are much better in terms of ergonomics for me, but not enough to make me "need" one.

 

[Birds Away]

You get a P01 or a PCR. you get the reach reduction kit, a short reset trigger, 11.5# mainspring with extended firing pin and ultra light trigger return spring. Add a race hammer and 85 combat adjustable trigger. Do a little polishing and you would have a peach. With the extra bit of weight in the nose the short reset trigger make that thing like a hose. I've seen you shoot. After a week you would be sleeping with it.