The first time I carried was to a big mall in E'ville at Christmas time. It was a beautiful Kimber Ultra Carry II in a plastic holster at 4 o'clock. It was pretty cold outside. On the way home we decided to stop for Saturday evening Mass so I pulled the whole rig off my belt and locked it in the car. The church was crowded and we had to sit in the front pew. I was day dreaming like normal and started to get warm with my jacket on. As we stood for the Gospel I started peeling the jacket off and suddenly couldn't remember if I had taken the pistol off. I was freaking out that I was going to expose a weapon in front of the whole church. I really need to start paying attention more!
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GuyRelford
Master
Just in case there was any doubt about how Bryan Ciyou feels about open carry, this is from an article in yesterday's Indiana Lawyer that discussed the Hammond and Evansville lawsuits:
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Bryan Ciyou, attorney and author of the Indiana Firearms Reference Manual, said while Indiana law does not require handguns to be shielded from view, it is the generally accepted practice among gun owners.
“Among the people that are respected in the community that know anything about guns, they would say that 99 times out of 100, carrying it concealed is the right way to go about it,” Ciyou said. He said the obvious exception would be for security and law enforcement personnel, whom most people assume are carrying guns anyway.
“I suppose the unconcealed carry at the zoo could be for a reasonable purpose. However, if it was done to set up a suit, it is the type of ‘lawful behavior’ that empowers anti-gun camps,” he said. “Just because something is a legal right does not mean it should be exercised, or make its exercise right.”
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Bryan Ciyou, attorney and author of the Indiana Firearms Reference Manual, said while Indiana law does not require handguns to be shielded from view, it is the generally accepted practice among gun owners.
“Among the people that are respected in the community that know anything about guns, they would say that 99 times out of 100, carrying it concealed is the right way to go about it,” Ciyou said. He said the obvious exception would be for security and law enforcement personnel, whom most people assume are carrying guns anyway.
“I suppose the unconcealed carry at the zoo could be for a reasonable purpose. However, if it was done to set up a suit, it is the type of ‘lawful behavior’ that empowers anti-gun camps,” he said. “Just because something is a legal right does not mean it should be exercised, or make its exercise right.”
Hammerhead
Master
Yes, because we all know that TF went to the zoo OCing just to be harassed and file a suit...
Titanium_Frost
Grandmaster
Anyone who knows me knows I OC everywhere I can. I don't usually get hasseled either. I would really like to talk to Brian about his comments though.
What he is saying is that if you open carry on a consistent basis then you are not "respected in the community" and that you don't "know anything about guns..."
Hmm, Asshattery in him is strong...
Hoosierdood
Grandmaster
I know that Brian Ciyou is a friend of INGO (his booth is usually right next to INGO at the 1500), but I have lost a whole lot of respect for him over the past couple of months. I know he has done much to compile a list of laws regarding firearms ownership, but his comments as of late have done nothing to advance our cause. He has made it crystal clear that he believes that all gun owners should conceal, and if they choose not to, they are being unreasonable.
As I have said several times, I don't care HOW you carry, I just care that you carry. If concealing is right for you, then I support that. However, I will not tolerate somebody telling me that I am doing it wrong just because I don't carry in the same manner as they do. And to claim that OC is unreasonable as he has said in the past, is absurd!
That being said, my BIGGEST concern is with this statement (coming from a lawyer, no less):
GuyRelford
Master
I agree completely.
He appears to be saying that the police are justified in ordering someone to refrain from exercising a legal right. I'd really like to hear the legal analysis behind that one.
There is no doubt. Thanks for posting it.
I added it to the open letter thread in Mr. Ciyou's subforum here:
https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/indiana_firearms_law_bryan_ciyou/167767-oc_vs_cc_preference.html
IndyGunner
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^ DUDE! Youre alive! I havent seen you post in forever lol.
Hammerhead
Master
I don't think it's a legal analysis. I think it's a personal opinion similar to "just because you can, doesn't mean you should" even though there's no true legal rhyme or reason. Like a lot of people here who are adamant about CC and feel OC is never ok, Mr Ciyou seems to think that now that there's some teeth to the "I don't have to, you can't make me" means that OCers are only doing so because they're showing off.
I could be wrong.
IndyGunner
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I think so. I dont OC to show off. I oc because its comfortable, its a deterrent, I have a faster draw than when I CC, and I like it.
If the sheeple of this nation got their head out of the asses, and this became socially acceptable in modern day america, I dont think there would be any "showing off" aspect to begin with.
Hey. I have to agree... Just because you can (be a jerk, flip off nuns, call your mom bad names, insert whatever clause you want) doesn't mean you should.
Now, OC or cc. I don't care. I don't see what harm there is. But the statement stands. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Now, OC or cc. I don't care. I don't see what harm there is. But the statement stands. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
So I guess in my state, where I cannot carry concealed (until Nov 1, 2011 when the permit process starts), I shouldn't carry openly?
But what's actually implied, when tossed in there as the conclusion to his previous "no good reason to OC" comments is that people who carry this way are only doing it because they can.
Rather presumptuous and misinformed IMO.
Concerned Citizen
Sharpshooter
Yes I did open carry today. At the big liqor store in Avon, and at Great Fermentations homebrew store, picking up supplies for winemaking. Got a couple of looks, but no comments. I very well might have been the first person to OC there in the last 20 years 
Yes I did open carry today. At the big liqor store in Avon, and at Great Fermentations homebrew store, picking up supplies for winemaking. Got a couple of looks, but no comments. I very well might have been the first person to OC there in the last 20 years
Nay! I OC'd at Great Fermentations back in February
Bought some beer brewing materials, and they gave me a huge box of empty bottles for free
Concerned Citizen
Sharpshooter
Good for you, Brother!Nay! I OC'd at Great Fermentations back in February
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