'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident'

[KLB]

Officials: 17-year-old Muslim girl assaulted and killed after leaving Virginia mosque

A little fuel for the "right vs left" argument.

The story I heard on the radio this morning said it was not a hate crime.

Virginia missing teen girl body likely found in Fairfax, Darwin Martinez Torres charged with murder - CBS News

Police said they looked into whether the murder was a hate crime but said they found no evidence it was.

 

[actaeon277]

Im curious to see if our president tweets something about this.

If he does people will condemn him for it. If he doesn't people will condemn him for it.

Pretty much true, regardless of President, or affiliation.
He (or she) could cure cancer, and people from the other party would make the claim the President was trying to put doctors out of business.

 

[actaeon277]

Exactly.

Every time I see someone go out and murder strangers on a rampage like this, I wonder, "If this person just couldn't take it anymore, doesn't that person know some ****heads that really need killing? "

Lashing out against random strangers is an action that only satisfies the blood lust of the attacker.

yup.
But that only seemed to happen in "Without Remorse" by Tom Clancy.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Funny they hardly ever investigate the murder of a white male Christian as a hate crime. Go figgure.

Or "knockout game" victims. Or people assaulted by a mob yelling racists thing while they beat someone

 

[Kutnupe14]

Funny they hardly ever investigate the murder of a white male Christian as a hate crime. Go figgure.

I'd be interested for you to show me what instance of Christian White Male being murdered, and the charge leveled against the murderer, lacked the hate crime enhancement, where it would've been valid to use. Or an investigation where it should have been investigated as such.

Kut (doesn't think you have followed hate crime trends)

 

[Kutnupe14]

Or "knockout game" victims. Or people assaulted by a mob yelling racists thing while they beat someone

Are you saying this because you have looked, or because the above is what you thing?

 

[Sylvain]

Paris cordons off Champs Elysees after car hits police van - BBC News

 

[Sylvain]

Syl, you are one of my favorite folk, but please list some love or even like crimes so I can understand your thinking.

It's not "my thinking".A hate crime is something clearly defined by the FBI.

A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

It doesn't mean there's no hate in crimes that are not considered a hate crime.

 

[Sylvain]

Incident in Paris.

 

[jamil]

The idea of "hate crime" is foreign to me. I can see considering a mindset as a mitigating or contributing factor in the disposition of a case but to make it an actual charged crime in itself is absurd.

 

[T.Lex]

I hate the idea of making motivation for a crime a crime.

Thoughts police gonna police thoughts.

By the way, wonder what they'll find in this driver's background.
Finsbury Park attack: What we know so far - BBC News

 

[Sylvain]

Champs Elysees: Car 'deliberately hits' police van in Paris - BBC News

The attacker was rescued from his burning car by the officers he tried to kill.

 

[jamil]

Are you saying this because you have looked, or because the above is what you thing?

I remember something about a statement made by Eric Holder during the time leading up to the vote on the hate crime bill where Holder made the statement that the hate bill is not intended to protect everyone, or even the majority, but was intended to protect historically oppressed minorities. I don't have time to verify that statement, but if that's true, or even if that is the prevailing sentiment in enforcing hate crimes, I would think not many minorities would be charged with it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I remember something about a statement made by Eric Holder during the time leading up to the vote on the hate crime bill where Holder made the statement that the hate bill is not intended to protect everyone, or even the majority, but was intended to protect historically oppressed minorities. I don't have time to verify that statement, but if that's true, or even if that is the prevailing sentiment in enforcing hate crimes, I would think not many minorities would be charged with it.

Well, white are charges with hate crimes at a lower rate than their percentage of the population.... ergo.

 

[Alpo]

Champs Elysees: Car 'deliberately hits' police van in Paris - BBC News

The attacker was rescued from his burning car by the officers he tried to kill.

That's because the French Police don't have marshmallows.

 

[T.Lex]

On the Finsbury Park van attack, news sources reporting the arrested is Darren Osborne, from Cardiff.

He does not appear to have been on any bat-biting watch lists, or any other watch list for that matter.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Are you saying this because you have looked, or because the above is what you thing?

numerous news stories

 

[2A_Tom]

I'd be interested for you to show me what instance of Christian White Male being murdered, and the charge leveled against the murderer, lacked the hate crime enhancement, where it would've been valid to use. Or an investigation where it should have been investigated as such.

Kut (doesn't think you have followed hate crime trends)

No I can not, because it would never be valid.

 

[jamil]

Well, white are charges with hate crimes at a lower rate than their percentage of the population.... ergo.

You know what I'm saying.

 

[Kutnupe14]

You know what I'm saying.

The media is selectively reporting?