Trump 2024 ???

[jamil]

Sound's like a familiar story, W and the Patriot act or Obama and CRT/BLM

Have either of them repented? Is that different because they're not running for election? How about McConnell, then? Or the other principled losers of the GOPe? Anyone repenting the collapse and retreat from Afghanistan, beating the drums of war with Russia and Iran or pushing for fighting in Syria?

DeSantis come out full throated for an end to pointless wars?

Is DeSantis the fighter you're looking for? Can you even prove he's a fighter when the odds aren't stacked on his side? Are you even looking for a fighter?

Do you even know what time it is?

I guess it’s time to start grabbing women by the ***** and ****ing porn stars?

 

[Ingomike]

I guess it’s time to start grabbing women by the ***** and ****ing porn stars?

Or maybe bang an intern and get cigar mementos to savor…

 

[actaeon277]

I guess Struggle Session, then? The same fate awaits those who admit any flaws as those who do not

“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.” - WOPR

Want
To
Play
A
Game?

 

[KG1]

How about someone trying to get the whip hand on Disney for the purpose of political pandering? Should they own up to mistakes they made? Or just pull their pants back up and make some tough but so far ineffective noises

Sorry I hurt your sensitive feelz Bug for saying something about your "Mr. Perfect" Oh and btw I've been critical of DeSantis about that whole Disney thing. He should own up to that as well.

 

[BugI02]

I guess it’s time to start grabbing women by the ***** and ****ing porn stars?

Or folding like a camp chair when you get a little pushback on Ukraine?

Which one wastes more blood and treasure?

 

[d.kaufman]

I read fake news here on INGO that Trump should have fired Dr. Fauci but they wouldn’t let him. Trump had no authority to fire him. By the time he found out what a murderer and liar he was it was too late. Fauci owns covid literally. Nobody knew the real truth or how bad it could or would be. It was all one big experiment by the the elites. However as time went by the ignorance grew and still continues. I don’t blame Trump, he was damned no matter what he did. But he didn’t cause it.

I don't blame him at all for his initial reaction. He was following the so called "science" and info the so called "experts" fed him.

The problem lies with him still sticking to he did the right thing and saved millions of lives. ********! If he'd just admit he was following what the so called "experts" said and would say he ****ed up and realizes now he was given bad info based on the facts known today, I'd have no problem. Instead he still insists he was our savior of the ******** known as covid

 

[BugI02]

Sorry I hurt your sensitive feelz Bug for saying something about your "Mr. Perfect" Oh and btw I've been critical of DeSantis about that whole Disney thing. He should own up to that as well.

Good boy!

 

[KG1]

Or folding like a camp chair when you get a little pushback on Ukraine?

Which one wastes more blood and treasure?

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Ukraine. DeSantis isn't in favor of wasting more blood and treasure over there, but you already know that.

Might want to pick up those folding chairs that you keep leaving laying around before you trip over them again.

 

[BugI02]

Has Trump needed to 'clarify' his position on endless war the day after he got a little bit of pushback on his position?

I don't think so.

But hey, Harvard Law! It's not like any of those people have ever sold us out, is it?

Bring on the nuance, or something. Firm stances for everybody!

 

[jamil]

Or folding like a camp chair when you get a little pushback on Ukraine?

Which one wastes more blood and treasure?

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What folding?

 

[KG1]

DeSantis hasn't changed his position on US involvement in the Russia/Ukraine war. He still considers it not to be one of a vital US interest.

He’s said this previously in response to Tucker Carlson's Ukraine twitter questionnaire and to my knowledge his position has never changed on the most important aspect. This isn't "nuance" It's a firm stance.

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them."

"We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."

While he might have agreed that it's not just a territorial war he's never said that it is our business to be further involved in. Rather It's in Europe's sphere and we have more pressing US national issues to deal with.

“In terms of what’s going on over in eastern Europe, you know, I’d like to see a settlement of this. I do not want to see a wider war. I think it’s completely unknowable what it will look like in January of 2025. But I would not want to see the United States with our troops get enmeshed in a war in Russia or in Ukraine,” DeSantis said.'

“The Europeans really need to do more. I mean, this is their continent”DeSantis said.

We've already been down this well-trodden path. I've posted all this before at great length.

 

[DragonGunner]

I don't blame him at all for his initial reaction. He was following the so called "science" and info the so called "experts" fed him.

The problem lies with him still sticking to he did the right thing and saved millions of lives. ********! If he'd just admit he was following what the so called "experts" said and would say he ****ed up and realizes now he was given bad info based on the facts known today, I'd have no problem. Instead he still insists he was our savior of the ******** known as covid

Agree however he doesn’t believe what he said imho. He has recently been bashing big pharma. He knows he is and was wrong. But you won’t get a narcissist to admit fault. To them that is weakness. Inside he is already working his brain to get back at them, and the rest. He has already started the process in one of his last speeches about finding out what’s wrong with our sickly youth and what’s the causes…. Never blaming big Pharma but throwing in a couple little dingers about them in the end. You just gotta understand narcissism. Most presidents have it. Good luck finding one without it, the thing about Trump is he uses his to fight for America rather than destroying it. If you gotta have a narcissist that’s the kind you want.

 

[Ziggidy]

Doing terrible is one thing. Defending those decisions years later is another.

Based on what was known at that time, his decisions were probably correct. What would you expect one to say? Any decision made today and reviewed 10 years lager can be considered a bad decision but it remain that at that time it was a good decision.

No different than anything else in life. Get married today and divorced later. Was it a bad decision (marriage)? No, because what one knows when they make the decision still remains the same.

With covid, know one knew jack. With the lack of information, lies being spread, chaos throughout the world, talk of millions dying. Based on the info at hand, how can anyone claim any bad decisions.

Add 4 years of knowledge, experience and progress the First response would still have been correct. Based ion the info available, he did what was thought right.

 

[jamil]

Based on what was known at that time, his decisions were probably correct. What would you expect one to say? Any decision made today and reviewed 10 years lager can be considered a bad decision but it remain that at that time it was a good decision.

No different than anything else in life. Get married today and divorced later. Was it a bad decision (marriage)? No, because what one knows when they make the decision still remains the same.

With covid, know one knew jack. With the lack of information, lies being spread, chaos throughout the world, talk of millions dying. Based on the info at hand, how can anyone claim any bad decisions.

Add 4 years of knowledge, experience and progress the First response would still have been correct. Based ion the info available, he did what was thought right.

I think a lot of us have excused him for his early decisions. I have no problem at all with that defense of what he did then. From Trump's perspective, he wouldn't have known any better. Of course you trust the "experts" when you have no better knowledge.

But the complaint is, now that we know it was all bull ****, Trump still can't admit that no, he didn't save millions of lives. In today's understanding, if the excess deaths were caused by the vaccines, he helped facilitate them with Warp Speed. I can forgive him for that initial decision. I can't forgive him for still believing that it was the right call then and today, knowing all that we know.

He still has to cling to a belief that he was right then, and is still right. So let's say he's president at the beginning of 2028. Covid 2027 is discovered. It's spreading globally. And an advisor says we need to speed through a new vaccine, bypassing the normal process, and we need to lock the country down. If he can't admit in hindsight that he was wrong in 2020, will he do the right thing when it happens again? Advisors fool him once, shame on them. Fool him twice and we know who the fool is.

We're not talking about whether his initial decision in 2020 was justified, not having any better information at the time. That's just a bull **** excuse to save Trump's face. We're talking about Trump having the capacity to understand and admit when he's wrong. It's important because we need to have confidence that he'll use new knowledge to make better, more informed decisions in the future. I have no confidence that Trump can do that, and even less that fiercely loyal Trumpers have the capacity to hold him accountable for anything.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Based on what was known at that time, his decisions were probably correct. What would you expect one to say? Any decision made today and reviewed 10 years lager can be considered a bad decision but it remain that at that time it was a good decision.

No different than anything else in life. Get married today and divorced later. Was it a bad decision (marriage)? No, because what one knows when they make the decision still remains the same.

With covid, know one knew jack. With the lack of information, lies being spread, chaos throughout the world, talk of millions dying. Based on the info at hand, how can anyone claim any bad decisions.

Add 4 years of knowledge, experience and progress the First response would still have been correct. Based ion the info available, he did what was thought right.

He still thinks what he did is correct…even with hindsight.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

This position is more extreme than I’m willing to take (mostly because his SCOTUS appointees undid Roe and gave us Bruen). But it is why I will not support him in the primaries.

 

[Destro]

He still thinks what he did is correct…even with hindsight.

Ironically, how he "handled COVID" was the moment he probably lost me as an active defender (I STILL voted for him)



It isn't that specific act, I think its what made me rethink my whole reality.

 

[BugI02]

DeSantis hasn't changed his position on US involvement in the Russia/Ukraine war. He still considers it not to be one of a vital US interest.

He’s said this previously in response to Tucker Carlson's Ukraine twitter questionnaire and to my knowledge his position has never changed on the most important aspect. This isn't "nuance" It's a firm stance.

“While the U.S. has many vital national interests – securing our borders, addressing the crisis of readiness within our military, achieving energy security and independence, and checking the economic, cultural, and military power of the Chinese Communist Party – becoming further entangled between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them."

"We cannot prioritize intervention in an escalating foreign war over the defense of our own homeland, especially as tens of thousands of Americans are dying every year from narcotics smuggled across our open border and our weapons arsenals critical for our own security are rapidly being depleted."

While he might have agreed that it's not just a territorial war he's never said that it is our business to be further involved in. Rather It's in Europe's sphere and we have more pressing US national issues to deal with.

“In terms of what’s going on over in eastern Europe, you know, I’d like to see a settlement of this. I do not want to see a wider war. I think it’s completely unknowable what it will look like in January of 2025. But I would not want to see the United States with our troops get enmeshed in a war in Russia or in Ukraine,” DeSantis said.'

“The Europeans really need to do more. I mean, this is their continent”DeSantis said.

We've already been down this well-trodden path. I've posted all this before at great length.

Yes, it is a 'nuanced' retcon

DeSantis' remarks in the Carlson questionnaire: Firm stance, D'accord!

“While the US has many vital national interests, … becoming further entangled in a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Russia is not one of them,” DeSantis said in a statement to Fox News host Tucker Carlson this week.

“The Biden administration’s virtual ‘blank check’ funding of this conflict for ‘as long as it takes,’ without any defined objectives or accountability, distracts from our country’s most pressing challenges,” the governor said.

DeSantis walking back his remarks only 9 days later after republican pushback:
"Nuanced' backing and filling

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is walking back his characterization of Russia’s war in Ukraine as a “territorial dispute,” following criticism from a number of fellow Republicans who expressed concern about the potential 2024 presidential candidate’s dismissive description of the conflict.

In excerpts of an interview with Piers Morgan set to air Thursday on Fox Nation, DeSantis said his earlier comments referenced ongoing fighting in the eastern Donbas region, as well as Russia’s 2014 seizure of Crimea. Ukraine’s borders are internationally recognized, including by the United Nations.

“What I’m referring to is where the fighting is going on now, which is that eastern border region Donbas, and then Crimea, and you have a situation where Russia has had that. I don’t think legitimately, but they had,” DeSantis said, according to excerpts. “There’s a lot of ethnic Russians there. So, that’s some difficult fighting, and that’s what I was referring to, and so it wasn’t that I thought Russia had a right to that, and so if I should have made that more clear, I could have done it.”

Weasel words. 'What I REALLY meant was ...'

Please! Do tell how those two quoted excerpts say the same thing. I notice he hasn't mentioned disapproval of the 'blank check' again

 

[BugI02]

He still thinks what he did is correct…even with hindsight.

It seems you must have repentance, and I think I know from whence that comes

But you seek repentance without offering hope of redemption, which is a tough sell

 

[Ziggidy]

Everyone needs a reason not to vote for (most likely) the best candidate we have at the moment. Interesting that people say the covid response is why they will not vote for him in the primaries. My question Is who in the primary is better that Trump? I mean, as of this date, who would you vote for? And why?