Trump 2024 — The second term

[printcraft]

Hey let us not forget the true story that Trump had Russian hookers pee on a bed while he watched in a Moscow Ritz Carlson that the Obamas previously slept in.

LOL - Kut was all in on that one.

 

[printcraft]

Really...

The russians forgot to hide that one for President Trump.

 

[KG1]

LOL - Kut was all in on that one.

Kut was getting his information from the HRC news agency.

 

[LeftyGunner]

Or, it's made up. Dismissing her claims is reasonable. It's just a claim. It's not like Biden, where the right wing claims that he's a pedo is without evidence. Hunter's own words is evidence. Is daughter's own diary is evidence. His creepy sniffing when he's near young girls is evidence. Do you dismiss that in the face of evidence?

Not at all. I do think Joe B is a creep...but, between the two, I think Trump is creepier.

Well, what evidence is there that Trump did this other than an accusation? You guys build this image of Trump as a mass raper based on just claims. Believe all women? Ha! Why don't you believe Biden's daughter?

I do.

The choice is between a guy with a couple accusations, and a guy with dozens of settlements for accusations.

Neither is clean…but Trump is a whole lot dirtier by comparison.

And, the highlighted is why I don't take you seriously. At first I gave you benefit of the doubt, and engaged with you in good faith. This is just further evidence that YOU are not engaging in good faith.

I mean people poke at you quite a lot, and I realize that's an understatement. And that could give you a reason to be this disingenuous. But then you show why you're actually here. It's not just because you're curious about why Trumpers believe what they believe as you've claimed.

I engage with different posters here on different levels...and with very good reason: I am operating in hostile territory.

There are a handful of posters here who regularly bring perspective and insight that challenge my own perspectives, and I routinely engage enthusiastically and in good faith with those posters…you are one of them, along with Chip, FoZoe, JettaKnight, GFGT, KLB, HKFan, and about a dozen others. I feel relatively comfortable dropping my defenses when I reply to you and these other posters.

As far as being here to understand Trumpers: that is absolutely true, but…there is some nuance to this position.

First, I recognize that “Trumpers” is a vague definition with limited utility...there are degrees of “Trumpiness”.

There are the more reluctant Trump voters...the nose-holders…the voters who don’t like Trump, but view him as the lesser of two awful choices. They might not like or agree with many of his positions and policies, but they see the only other choice they have as the much worse one…I don’t view this group with doubt or suspicion, and it pretty accurately mirrors my opinion of Biden. I am always willing to discuss topics in good faith with this poster…eager, even.

Then there are the Trump supporters…these people are not holding their nose, they see Trump as a desirable choice (not least worst), and agree with at least some of his positions and policies. I don’t understand this position, but I don’t think it is necessarily unreasonable and I am happy to engage in good faith with these posters so long as they show a willingness to do the same.

Finally, there are the Trump Cultists…these posters are devoted apologists who trade in absurdity. They get from me exactly what they give…if they want good faith from me they need to act in good faith themselves, otherwise…it’s just an invitation to the troll olympics.

 

[DadSmith]

With Democrats in disarray, Trump and GOP bask in unity - Washington Examiner

Donald Trump and the Republican Party are in a rare period of relative calm after President Joe Biden's disastrous debate last week.

washingtonexaminer.com

 

[KG1]

Bill Maher as a liberal with a strong personal dislike of Trump said this about Trump voters and he appears to get why they vote for Trump. I happen to be one of them.

While he doesn't subscribe to many things that Trump supporters do he can understand why they feel a need for someone such as Trump to be a bulwark against the ever-increasing lunacy of the far progressive left which Maher as a liberal is also finally openly recognizing.as having issues.

Edit: Here is that actual quote.

"I can't hate you. I've said it a billion times. You can hate Trump, you can't hate all the people who like him. It's half the country," Maher said. "I'm certainly not blind to Donald Trump's fault. I get it why people choose to vote for him. You know, somebody who's conservative once said to me 'What you don't get, you liberals don't get about Trump is that we don't like it either. We just see him as a bulwark against the nonsense on the left.' And I understand that because there is a lot of nonsense on the left and that's in my book, too."

 

[Route 45]

 

[DadSmith]

Trump jumps out to 6-point lead following debate disaster for Biden: Poll - Washington Examiner

Former President Donald Trump's lead over Joe Biden has ballooned since the president's disastrous debate performance last week.

washingtonexaminer.com

 

[BugI02]

Your God-king:

Lawsuit Charges Donald Trump with Raping a 13-Year-Old Girl

A civil suit against Donald Trump alleging he raped a 13-year-old girl was dismissed in California in May 2016, refiled in New York in June 2016, and dropped again in November 2016.

www.snopes.com

E Jean Carroll 2.0, high on sensationalism and low on evidence

Funny, although 'she' achieved 'her' majority in the late 1990s, 'Katie Johnson' chose not to file suit until DJT was the leading republican presidential contender - and you had to reach back to 2016 to find a character assassination case that has gone nowhere even in the Trump-unfriendly NY courts

Brett Kavanaugh would recognize the technique

Now do a presidential candidate showering with his underage daughter, as revealed in said daughters diary which she has confirmed is authentic

 

[BugI02]

Not at all. I do think Joe B is a creep...but, between the two, I think Trump is creepier.



I do.

The choice is between a guy with a couple accusations, and a guy with dozens of settlements for accusations.

Neither is clean…but Trump is a whole lot dirtier by comparison.



I engage with different posters here on different levels...and with very good reason: I am operating in hostile territory.

There are a handful of posters here who regularly bring perspective and insight that challenge my own perspectives, and I routinely engage enthusiastically and in good faith with those posters…you are one of them, along with Chip, FoZoe, JettaKnight, GFGT, KLB, HKFan, and about a dozen others. I feel relatively comfortable dropping my defenses when I reply to you and these other posters.

As far as being here to understand Trumpers: that is absolutely true, but…there is some nuance to this position.

First, I recognize that “Trumpers” is a vague definition with limited utility...there are degrees of “Trumpiness”.

There are the more reluctant Trump voters...the nose-holders…the voters who don’t like Trump, but view him as the lesser of two awful choices. They might not like or agree with many of his positions and policies, but they see the only other choice they have as the much worse one…I don’t view this group with doubt or suspicion, and it pretty accurately mirrors my opinion of Biden. I am always willing to discuss topics in good faith with this poster…eager, even.

Then there are the Trump supporters…these people are not holding their nose, they see Trump as a desirable choice (not least worst), and agree with at least some of his positions and policies. I don’t understand this position, but I don’t think it is necessarily unreasonable and I am happy to engage in good faith with these posters so long as they show a willingness to do the same.

Finally, there are the Trump Cultists…these posters are devoted apologists who trade in absurdity. They get from me exactly what they give…if they want good faith from me they need to act in good faith themselves, otherwise…it’s just an invitation to the troll olympics.

So, the closer posters are to your own treasured positions the better you rate their veracity. Got it!

The 'Lefty' part is certainly in evidence, the 'gunner' - not so much

 

[DadSmith]

 

[jamil]

Not at all. I do think Joe B is a creep...but, between the two, I think Trump is creepier.



I do.

The choice is between a guy with a couple accusations, and a guy with dozens of settlements for accusations.

Neither is clean…but Trump is a whole lot dirtier by comparison.

Most rich and famous people end up having to settle these cases. Gold diggers everywhere. Did Trump rape those women? Or did they just claim he did because they want some of his money?

The recent case was absurd. She claimed it happened decades earlier. Her evidence was primarily two friends who said Trump sexually assaulted them too. I don't think that's enough to award a potential gold digger, that kind of money.

I engage with different posters here on different levels...and with very good reason: I am operating in hostile territory.

There are a handful of posters here who regularly bring perspective and insight that challenge my own perspectives, and I routinely engage enthusiastically and in good faith with those posters…you are one of them, along with Chip, FoZoe, JettaKnight, GFGT, KLB, HKFan, and about a dozen others. I feel relatively comfortable dropping my defenses when I reply to you and these other posters.

As far as being here to understand Trumpers: that is absolutely true, but…there is some nuance to this position.

First, I recognize that “Trumpers” is a vague definition with limited utility...there are degrees of “Trumpiness”.

There are the more reluctant Trump voters...the nose-holders…the voters who don’t like Trump, but view him as the lesser of two awful choices. They might not like or agree with many of his positions and policies, but they see the only other choice they have as the much worse one…I don’t view this group with doubt or suspicion, and it pretty accurately mirrors my opinion of Biden. I am always willing to discuss topics in good faith with this poster…eager, even.

Then there are the Trump supporters…these people are not holding their nose, they see Trump as a desirable choice (not least worst), and agree with at least some of his positions and policies. I don’t understand this position, but I don’t think it is necessarily unreasonable and I am happy to engage in good faith with these posters so long as they show a willingness to do the same.

Finally, there are the Trump Cultists…these posters are devoted apologists who trade in absurdity. They get from me exactly what they give…if they want good faith from me they need to act in good faith themselves, otherwise…it’s just an invitation to the troll olympics.

I don't hate Trump. I wouldn't say I'm a supporter per se, other than I will apologetically vote for him in a few months. I don't care that he's technically a felon. I'm sure he's gonna get that verdict overturned because the court's behavior was absurd. Even progressive lawyers note the appealable **** that the court did.

About Trump on morality. He's obviously promiscuous, and I suspect some of the stories could be true. I strongly suspect he ****ed the horse faced porn star. And at the time his wife was either pregnant, or had just delivered his son. So that makes Trump pretty horrible as a person, and especially as a husband.

If we're going to compare personal attributes and rank them, pedo is much worse than a rich playboy fondling women at his whim. Women should fight back. Should press charges. I get the issues with that. The lawyers that will make her feel small. On the other hand, golddiggers line up to cash in. How do we know when the accusation is real unless we see the evidence. It's just unfortunate that the real victims can't get justice. But we can't just believe all women.

Okay, so Trump on policy. When he ran in 2016, I kept saying I was gonna write in Al Bundy for POTUS, because I couldn't vote for that Clinton ****. And I didn't want to vote for Trump. I thought he was going to be an authoritarian leader. Well. I ended up voting for him because it really was a binary. Vote for the immoral, possibly authoritarian Trump. Or vote for one of the most corrupt political families in US history. I picked Trump as the least evil.

Turned out I actually agreed with most of his policies. I am conservative. I am for America First. I strongly disapprove on his moral behavior. I agree with him on his immigration policy. I agree with him on his foreign policy. I disagree with his handling of his election loss. He shouldn't have listened to half baked legal theorists.

So I'm unsure what category you would put me in, and not that I care. But for your own definitions, maybe they need tweaked a bit. I'm not really holding my nose. I'd rather have had someone else. But I think at this point, Trump is in a better position now to send Biden off to the old pedo's home.

Democrats are in trouble. More than half the country doesn't trust them. They're obviously engaged in lawfare. They don't have a viable candidate. Obviously Biden can't possibly lead. A recent poll came out that said 80% of voters say Biden is too old to be President. But he's not stepping down. Not that he's of any sound mind to make that decision anyway. It's the family wanting to keep the gravy train running.

Without Biden, who do you got? Sounds like Kuntala. She's not quite as brain dead as Biden. She's not retarded. Given what she's written and judging from the complexity of her speeches, I'd estimate she probably is close to 100 IQ. Trump is probably 125. Anyway, people hate her. Many on the left hate her because she's a cop. If she runs top of the ticket, I think Trump will gain even more of the black vote. Only way D's should win is if they can get illegals to vote.

 

[printcraft]

Most rich and famous people end up having to settle these cases. Gold diggers everywhere. Did Trump rape those women? Or did they just claim he did because they want some of his money?

The recent case was absurd. She claimed it happened decades earlier. Her evidence was primarily two friends who said Trump sexually assaulted them too. I don't think that's enough to award a potential gold digger, that kind of money.



I don't hate Trump. I wouldn't say I'm a supporter per se, other than I will apologetically vote for him in a few months. I don't care that he's technically a felon. I'm sure he's gonna get that verdict overturned because the court's behavior was absurd. Even progressive lawyers note the appealable **** that the court did.

About Trump on morality. He's obviously promiscuous, and I suspect some of the stories could be true. I strongly suspect he ****ed the horse faced porn star. And at the time his wife was either pregnant, or had just delivered his son. So that makes Trump pretty horrible as a person, and especially as a husband.

If we're going to compare personal attributes and rank them, pedo is much worse than a rich playboy fondling women at his whim. Women should fight back. Should press charges. I get the issues with that. The lawyers that will make her feel small. On the other hand, golddiggers line up to cash in. How do we know when the accusation is real unless we see the evidence. It's just unfortunate that the real victims can't get justice. But we can't just believe all women.

Okay, so Trump on policy. When he ran in 2016, I kept saying I was gonna write in Al Bundy for POTUS, because I couldn't vote for that Clinton ****. And I didn't want to vote for Trump. I thought he was going to be an authoritarian leader. Well. I ended up voting for him because it really was a binary. Vote for the immoral, possibly authoritarian Trump. Or vote for one of the most corrupt political families in US history. I picked Trump as the least evil.

Turned out I actually agreed with most of his policies. I am conservative. I am for America First. I strongly disapprove on his moral behavior. I agree with him on his immigration policy. I agree with him on his foreign policy. I disagree with his handling of his election loss. He shouldn't have listened to half baked legal theorists.

So I'm unsure what category you would put me in, and not that I care. But for your own definitions, maybe they need tweaked a bit. I'm not really holding my nose. I'd rather have had someone else. But I think at this point, Trump is in a better position now to send Biden off to the old pedo's home.

Democrats are in trouble. More than half the country doesn't trust them. They're obviously engaged in lawfare. They don't have a viable candidate. Obviously Biden can't possibly lead. A recent poll came out that said 80% of voters say Biden is too old to be President. But he's not stepping down. Not that he's of any sound mind to make that decision anyway. It's the family wanting to keep the gravy train running.

Without Biden, who do you got? Sounds like Kuntala. She's not quite as brain dead as Biden. She's not retarded. Given what she's written and judging from the complexity of her speeches, I'd estimate she probably is close to 100 IQ. Trump is probably 125. Anyway, people hate her. Many on the left hate her because she's a cop. If she runs top of the ticket, I think Trump will gain even more of the black vote. Only way D's should win is if they can get illegals to vote.

I find it LAUGHABLE that lefty libs want to try to hang any "moral" arguments around the Republicans necks.
Tara Reade wants to have a word.
We heard all throughout the clinton - marion barry years that character doesn't matter to demoncrats.
Too late to unring that bell.

 

[jamil]

I find it LAUGHABLE that lefty libs want to try to hang any "moral" arguments around the Republicans necks.
Tara Reade wants to have a word.
We heard all throughout the clinton - marion barry years that character doesn't matter to demoncrats.
Too late to unring that bell.

When it comes down to it, unless someone is a genuine moderate, it's all about policy. Trump's evil to D's. Biden's evil to R's. But the crux is ideology and policy. But, progressives do seem to like to feign moral high ground.

 

[BugI02]

How do we know when the accusation is real unless we see the evidence. It's just unfortunate that the real victims can't get justice. But we can't just believe all women.

It's parallel to the 'panhandler problem', with so many asking for money how do you tell those really in need from the the lazy grifters

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

How to effectively manage Trump:



Almost got it…
Not wrong-

 

[BugI02]

Only way D's should win is if they can get illegals to vote [manufacture fraudulent votes in every manner possible, like they did last time]

 

[Magyars]

 

[jamil]

We've talked about holding noses. In terms of morals and behavior and such, yeah, I'm holding my nose to vote for Trump. And that's the case with pretty much any candidate. Some more than others. In terms of policy, I can't say I'm holding my nose.



Compare Biden's way vs Trump's, I'm probably loosening the grip after that story. Trump's way is a much better way of dealing with terrorists.

 

[DadSmith]

How immunity could complicate Trump’s hush money conviction - Washington Examiner

Trump asked a judge to factor the Supreme Court’s ruling on presidential immunity into his hush money trial with the aim of having his conviction tossed out.

washingtonexaminer.com