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To Kill A Bear..........with a handgun
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Misplaced Yankee
Plinker
.500 Mag would be nice, but I'm worried about the recoil. Yes, maybe I'm just being a pansy. But I'd like to know I could get the gun down fast for a second shot. The .357 that I've shot kicks less then some 9mm. So the encore in 7mm-08 would be better then getting it in 30-06 or 308? I'm a little confused, and probably should pull up a caliber chart. And I'm jealous of your magnum, I want one but have too many other things going now. Any idea of what it takes to hunt in Ole Canada?
Oh, and I pulled up the fact that you can legally hunt bear in eight states in the US. Actually, I think it was from the SPCA website or something talking about how horrible the practice is. Bet they enjoy knowing they helped teach someone who wants to hunt one
longbarrel
Expert
T/C contender with a 14" barrel and a .450 marlin cartridge. Hold on to your shorts!
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Misplaced Yankee
Plinker
I've always heard Canada was a jerk when it came to handguns. Everything I've seen on them is that they really don't like small arms entering/being used in their country.
yotewacker
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I don't think Canada allows handguns of anykind.
I've heard that .454 casull is very popular in Alaska for defense against bear attacks. You could get the new Taurus raging judge that shoots 454, 45LC and .410 shot shell. first two rounds of 454, then if it still comes after you follow it up with 3 rounds of 00 buck.
jmiller676
Master
Good luck crossing the border into Canada with either a handgun or handgun ammo. You will automatically become a permanent resident there with all expenses paid.
Black bears are little more than large black rats and not that hard to kill. A trip to Alaska looking for the big boys is another story. Finding an outfitter willing to take you on a handgun hunt for brownies there won't be quite so simple. A friend of mine in Fairbanks might be willing to take you if he's short on wolf bait.
You know what they say about guys hunting big bears with a handgun? Be sure to file off the front sight first so you can get the barrel in your mouth quicker when he charges. 
With the exception of having to take a chance getting caught driving through New York or trusting your guns to an airline, Maine is an excellent place for black bears. I'm familiar with 2 outfitters there that do a good job.
Black bears are little more than large black rats and not that hard to kill. A trip to Alaska looking for the big boys is another story. Finding an outfitter willing to take you on a handgun hunt for brownies there won't be quite so simple. A friend of mine in Fairbanks might be willing to take you if he's short on wolf bait.
You know what they say about guys hunting big bears with a handgun? Be sure to file off the front sight first so you can get the barrel in your mouth quicker when he charges. With the exception of having to take a chance getting caught driving through New York or trusting your guns to an airline, Maine is an excellent place for black bears. I'm familiar with 2 outfitters there that do a good job.
Misplaced Yankee
Plinker
Good luck crossing the border into Canada with either a handgun or handgun ammo. You will automatically become a permanent resident there with all expenses paid.
Black bears are little more than large black rats and not that hard to kill. A trip to Alaska looking for the big boys is another story. Finding an outfitter willing to take you on a handgun hunt for brownies there won't be quite so simple. A friend of mine in Fairbanks might be willing to take you if he's short on wolf bait.
With the exception of having to take a chance getting caught driving through New York or trusting your guns to an airline, Maine is an excellent place for black bears. I'm familiar with 2 outfitters there that do a good job.
Yeah, I've heard a bit about the Canadians and their joyous handgun laws. As well as know my old state all too well to be enthusiastic about a drive through, especially with how they've been acting lately. The file off the front sight line is what I've been hearing so far whenever I ask about this stuff in person.
I've got family in Boston, so in theory I could get firearms shipped to a member up there, then drive from there to Maine. The only problem I see with this is the fact that my friend is only on leave in May of 11. Which is why we've been limited to shooting the bit ole rats probably out west. Also, I have a feeling that any experienced outfitter won't exactly jump for joy at the sight of people trying to bring down bear with small arms. Even if they're well prepared. I guess I can always just call this guy if it gets later.
Handgun Hunting Heaven - Handgunning Bear Hunts in Maine
Though honestly, I don't know if I feel comfortable if it's as non-challenging as they act. We're two relatively healthy guys who probably should give it a more challenging try first. Before the "wait and bait and shoot" version.
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A large frame revolver . .454 casull, .480 ruger or .500 s&w. And some hefty loads from Buffalo Bore. Black bear would probably not be that bad a deal with a handgun. But Brown? I think that would be a whole different universe. I read an article not too long ago, where 2 guys where stalking a Brown with .500 s&w's. The Bear went down after both revolvers were empty, and their guide had put 2 rounds of .45-70 in it. 12 rounds total. That's a ballpark figure of 12 ounces of lead. 3/4 of a pound. Not for the faint of heart. Or anyone that is not highly proficient with a handgun.
Might want to do some additional research.
I only know one fellow who has jumped through the hoops to bring in a restricted firearm into Canada - he said he'd never do it again - but he did it.
Here are the definitions of PROHIBITED firearms, which won't be allowed in country under any circumstance by a civilian:
[FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold]A prohibited firearm is:[/FONT]
[/FONT]- A handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less.
- A handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition.
- A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26
inches) in overall length.
- A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than
457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26
inches) or more.
- An automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm.
- Any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
[/FONT]- A handgun with a barrel length of 105 mm (4.1 inches) or less.
- A handgun designed or adapted to discharge 25 or 32 calibre ammunition.
- A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make it less than 660 mm (26
inches) in overall length.
- A rifle or shotgun that has been altered to make the barrel length less than
457 mm (18 inches) where the overall firearm length is 660 mm (26
inches) or more.
- An automatic firearm and a converted automatic firearm.
- Any firearm prescribed as prohibited.
[FONT=Arial,Bold][FONT=Arial,Bold][/FONT]
[/FONT]
You may be able to bring in a RESTRICTED firearm, which is defined as:
- Any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).
You'll need an authorization to transport for a "restricted" firearm:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/679-eng.pdf
For any firearm going in to Canda:
Complete a 4457 in the US at the border before you leave, enter the make, model, serial number and chambering as well.
http://forms.cbp.gov/pdf/CBP_Form_4457.pdf
Declare your firearm when you reach the Canadian Customs Officer.
If you're going on a hunt, you'd better be able to prove it by receipts or license.
Then, if its restricted - you'll need to pull out the ATT form mentioned above.
If you're convincing enough in your reason for bringing one into the country, they'll have you fill out a CAFC 909 and pay $25.
Form CAFC 909
[/FONT]
You may be able to bring in a RESTRICTED firearm, which is defined as:
- A handgun that is not a prohibited firearm.
- A semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than
470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited.
- A rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by
folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26
inches).
- A semi-automatic, centre-fire rifle or shotgun with a barrel length less than
470 mm (18.5 inches) that is not prohibited.
- A rifle or shotgun that can fire when its overall length is reduced by
folding, telescoping or some other means to less than 660 mm (26
inches).
- Any firearm prescribed as restricted (including some long guns).
You'll need an authorization to transport for a "restricted" firearm:
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/679-eng.pdf
For any firearm going in to Canda:
Complete a 4457 in the US at the border before you leave, enter the make, model, serial number and chambering as well.
http://forms.cbp.gov/pdf/CBP_Form_4457.pdf
Declare your firearm when you reach the Canadian Customs Officer.
If you're going on a hunt, you'd better be able to prove it by receipts or license.
Then, if its restricted - you'll need to pull out the ATT form mentioned above.
If you're convincing enough in your reason for bringing one into the country, they'll have you fill out a CAFC 909 and pay $25.
Form CAFC 909
Good luck at the Canadian border if they even think you have a gun not approved for entry.
Let me give you an example: You are in a motor home after Sturgis. You drive up to Canada. Behind the drivers seat is a mount for holding a shotgun. The shotgun is in Indiana. You tell them that.............Yeah they ain't buyin' it. It is on like Donkey Kong.
I too say use a Taurus..............Judge, it would make for some great stories afterwards that the witnesses could post here for us.
"Judged by 1, Eaten by 1."
Let me give you an example: You are in a motor home after Sturgis. You drive up to Canada. Behind the drivers seat is a mount for holding a shotgun. The shotgun is in Indiana. You tell them that.............Yeah they ain't buyin' it. It is on like Donkey Kong.
I too say use a Taurus..............Judge, it would make for some great stories afterwards that the witnesses could post here for us.
"Judged by 1, Eaten by 1."
I guess you could use a "combine"
I guess you could use a "combine"?
Subject: Bear Killed by Combine in Wisconsin
THE BIG GUY!!! SEE PIC @ END!!!
Subject: Bear Killed by Combine in Wisconsin
A huge hibernating male black bear was killed Nov. 26 in northern Dunn County when it was hit by a combine.
Neil Schlough of Boyceville was harvesting corn in a field on the Pinehurst Farm at about 7 o'clock that evening a few miles south of the Dunn/Barron county line, just off of County Road VVV, or about 22 miles north of Menomonie.
The bear was denning in the field, having dug a hole about a foot deep to lay in and pulled in debris from the corn stalks in on top of itself.
According to his wife, Phyllis, Neil came upon the bear with the outside row of his combine head and drove the outside snout into the animal's neck and shoulder and pushed it about six or seven feet.
She said Neil felt the combine strike something and the outside snout was pushed up into the air (the combine wasn't damaged).
"He stepped out of the combine and saw that he had hit an animal," she said. "At first he thought one of our dairy steers over there had gotten out, went in the corn field, ate too much corn and died."
But it didn't take long for Neil to realize it was a bear, but it did take longer to realize how big it was. She said he called her and told her he thought it weighed about 300 pounds.
The DNR was called immediately and Conservation Warden Jim Cleven responded.
A skid steer was taken to the field, and the bear was lifted up so that it could be dressed out.
"With the lights ... we could see that it was a pretty big bear," Phyllis said. "But we had no idea until the locker plant put it on a scale that it weighed as much as it did."
The bear was taken to the Augusta Locker Plant to be prepared for mounting. It was there that the animal was first weighed and measured.
Field dressed, the bear weighed in at 618 pounds and it measured 7 feet from head to tail.
The Schloughs were told at the locker that they could add 80 to 100 pounds, depending on the size animal, to reach an approximate actual weight.
"So we figure that bear had to weigh at least 700. We figure 700 to 720," Phyllis said.
It's too early to tell if the massive animal will break any records since the skull has to be dried for 60 days before it can be scored.
Phyllis says they believe it has the potential to break the state mark and will probably break the Dunn County record.
More common
DNR wildlife specialist Jess Carstens said, "This is a thing that, for whatever reason, is happening quite regularly that [bears] are denning up in the middle of fields and corn fields seem to be particularly common . due to the amount of debris from harvesting the c orn that's on the ground. There's a little more stuff to pull in on top of them as they snuggle into the hold that they've dug."
Phyllis reported that they frequently see bears on their land. And she said she recently saw a sow and cub in a corn field that was being harvested.
A full-body mount
After paying $75 to keep the bear, Neil is having the bear full-body mounted by Tom Persons, owner of TP Taxidermy.
"He's hardly ever had time to hunt or fish or anything because of farming," Phyllis said of Neil. " And so, he's going to keep the bear, and he's going to have it mounted. He's really proud of his trophy."
She said they were told by Persons that he'll have to use a grizzly bear form to mount the bear because there aren't black bear mounts big enough to do the job.
Person reportedly also believes the bear to be 15 to 20 years old, but a tooth will be pulled during the mounting process to determine its age.
According to Wikipedia, male bears can reach 660 pounds, but exceptionally large males can weigh up to 800 pounds.
Phyllis said Neil was recently trying to come up with a name for the huge animal that will soon occupy a large amount of space somewhere in their home.
"I thought this was kind of funny. He said, 'I'm going to name that thing Hercules.' ... I thought Hercules for that bear was a good name."
I guess you could use a "combine"?
Subject: Bear Killed by Combine in Wisconsin
THE BIG GUY!!! SEE PIC @ END!!!
Subject: Bear Killed by Combine in Wisconsin
A huge hibernating male black bear was killed Nov. 26 in northern Dunn County when it was hit by a combine.
Neil Schlough of Boyceville was harvesting corn in a field on the Pinehurst Farm at about 7 o'clock that evening a few miles south of the Dunn/Barron county line, just off of County Road VVV, or about 22 miles north of Menomonie.
The bear was denning in the field, having dug a hole about a foot deep to lay in and pulled in debris from the corn stalks in on top of itself.
According to his wife, Phyllis, Neil came upon the bear with the outside row of his combine head and drove the outside snout into the animal's neck and shoulder and pushed it about six or seven feet.
She said Neil felt the combine strike something and the outside snout was pushed up into the air (the combine wasn't damaged).
"He stepped out of the combine and saw that he had hit an animal," she said. "At first he thought one of our dairy steers over there had gotten out, went in the corn field, ate too much corn and died."
But it didn't take long for Neil to realize it was a bear, but it did take longer to realize how big it was. She said he called her and told her he thought it weighed about 300 pounds.
The DNR was called immediately and Conservation Warden Jim Cleven responded.
A skid steer was taken to the field, and the bear was lifted up so that it could be dressed out.
"With the lights ... we could see that it was a pretty big bear," Phyllis said. "But we had no idea until the locker plant put it on a scale that it weighed as much as it did."
The bear was taken to the Augusta Locker Plant to be prepared for mounting. It was there that the animal was first weighed and measured.
Field dressed, the bear weighed in at 618 pounds and it measured 7 feet from head to tail.
The Schloughs were told at the locker that they could add 80 to 100 pounds, depending on the size animal, to reach an approximate actual weight.
"So we figure that bear had to weigh at least 700. We figure 700 to 720," Phyllis said.
It's too early to tell if the massive animal will break any records since the skull has to be dried for 60 days before it can be scored.
Phyllis says they believe it has the potential to break the state mark and will probably break the Dunn County record.
More common
DNR wildlife specialist Jess Carstens said, "This is a thing that, for whatever reason, is happening quite regularly that [bears] are denning up in the middle of fields and corn fields seem to be particularly common . due to the amount of debris from harvesting the c orn that's on the ground. There's a little more stuff to pull in on top of them as they snuggle into the hold that they've dug."
Phyllis reported that they frequently see bears on their land. And she said she recently saw a sow and cub in a corn field that was being harvested.
A full-body mount
After paying $75 to keep the bear, Neil is having the bear full-body mounted by Tom Persons, owner of TP Taxidermy.
"He's hardly ever had time to hunt or fish or anything because of farming," Phyllis said of Neil. " And so, he's going to keep the bear, and he's going to have it mounted. He's really proud of his trophy."
She said they were told by Persons that he'll have to use a grizzly bear form to mount the bear because there aren't black bear mounts big enough to do the job.
Person reportedly also believes the bear to be 15 to 20 years old, but a tooth will be pulled during the mounting process to determine its age.
According to Wikipedia, male bears can reach 660 pounds, but exceptionally large males can weigh up to 800 pounds.
Phyllis said Neil was recently trying to come up with a name for the huge animal that will soon occupy a large amount of space somewhere in their home.
"I thought this was kind of funny. He said, 'I'm going to name that thing Hercules.' ... I thought Hercules for that bear was a good name."
Misplaced Yankee
Plinker
I'm looking into the .500 magnum, and it was the forerunner, until I was reading about them tearing clean through Cape Buffalo. I'm not sure if I want that much over-penetration. Maybe a hollow-point .44? Even .454 casual is looking like a good option after hearing that .500 flew through five feet of muscle, and even shot through a bone or two. And I'm not looking at Griz or Brown YET, I want to get my feet wet first.
And actually, a friend is trying to bully me into using his Taurus .44 magnum with a 12''(?) barrel. Not so big on risking my life with that, after hearing about the Judge.
WHOOSH!!!As for killing anything, shot placement it EVERYTHING!
Where can I get one of them there Left Handed "N" frame S&W's???
That reminds me of the "backward" photo of Billy The Kid that made people believe that he was a Lefty.
Mike
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