Tired Of Reading About School Shootings

[churchmouse]

We've heard so many shooting incidents, especially in schools. Government should reinforce gun control and measures needed to be taken. Maybe install metal detectors at the entrance and have security guards.

Yeah, thats what we need....reinforce gun control...yeah, more of that please.

 

[PistolBob]

Two words: Home School

Why send your kids to government run indoctrination centers, where they are searched, fed government issued diets of genetically modified food, and forced to learn how to be subjects instead of free men?

The current state of public education is fail.

 

[BuddieReigns]

Just about every home schooled kid I've ever met was a self-centered, naive, socially-awkward d-bag though.

 

[Smokepole]

Just about every home schooled kid I've ever met was a self-centered, naive, socially-awkward d-bag though.

You obviously have not met more than a couple. You seem to have the same generalization bug that the media and pro-gubmint folks do.

 

[churchmouse]

You obviously have not met more than a couple. You seem to have the same generalization bug that the media and pro-gubmint folks do.

I know more than a few and they are all self-centered and a bit socially inept. But, if you look at the parents they may get this naturally.

 

[BuddieReigns]

I've met like about 10, and I am also currently working with one who fits that description.

 

[snowwalker]

Other than getting rid of the media blitz every time any incident occurs that faintly resembles a "shooting" at a school, the money would be far better spent on many other things that make our children safer. When you look at the actual number of deaths caused by firearms at schools, compare it to the deaths of children in traffic accidents, crossing the street walking to school, drowning, poisoned by drug, chemicals etc., etc. (List could go on for a long time) you would see that the deaths, as tragic as they are, account for a very small percentage of preventable children deaths. Since 1980 (last 33 years) the statistics I found on the web state there were 297 people killed in school shootings, this is for all persons, teachers, children, the shooters, others. This is an average of nine (9) persons a year. Traffic accidents kill 6 and injure 694 children 0 to 14 years old each DAY. Drownings kill over 1000 and injure 5000 more children each year! Heck, about 3 to 10 children and teens die from lightning strikes each year.Certainly there is no reason to not tighten up security in schools, but other than the media blowing it completely out of proportion there are other places money could be spent that would save many more children's lives.

^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^Common sense is almost completely lost in todays world. The rant about guns from the left (notice that it's the Democrats that want to take away rights), never mind that hammers kill more people than rifles.This is one of my favorite quotes: "For those who believe no proof is required, for those who don't believe no proof is possible" Stuart Chase

 

[cobber]

Why not simply repeal the school zone gun ban laws which create these school shootings?

Politicians created school shootings by creating safe work environments for madmen. Repeal the no guns in schools laws and school shootings will cease.

This will cost nothing.

Or the .gov could institute double-plus absolute gun free zones, where they would "guarantee" no person will ever use a firearm. C'mon, they're SERIOUS this time!!

 

[netsecurity]

Over and over, you read about someone taking a gun to some school and opening fire. Or little Johnny in the first grade bringing dads gun to school. Come on people, this crap is not going to stop without really getting serious about it. Every school, EVERY SCHOOL, needs to have 1 entrance, not counting emergency EXITS, everyone goes thru a metal detector, and a police armed security. Not the little old man security guard, what a nice man, who would not be able to save himself much less anyone else. Yes, this will take time to get in, yes this will cost a lot, yes this will SAVE LIVES. Ask any parent that lost a child at Sandy Hook, I`m sure they would agree. But I`m willing to bet that more kids will end up dying before this type of security comes about. I`m done now.

It really doesn't matter how many entrances and metal detectors you have. They will just go through a window, and if you make all the windows bullet proof, they will just drive through the front door. People who are evil will do evil things. You might be able to stop someone who is just stupid and messing around, but not someone who is evil and plans these things out (like Newtown and Aurora theater shooter).

So while I agree with some of your ideas, that can only be one part of a much more elaborate and layered security. The bottom line is that you need at least one well trained, strong officer at every school. Perhaps most importantly, you also need as many well trained teachers as possible, because the officer cannot be everywhere at once. When the alarm sounds, the trained staff should arm themselves, and turn on radio communications, and then begin clearing an evacuation route methodically and aggressively. This is the ONLY way secure a school without having half a dozen officers there at all times, which we cannot afford--and besides, armed teachers are like wild cards that the shooter may not expect, and they are always with the kids!

Anyone who says that we shouldn't arm teachers is a fool IMO. That's why I am boycotting NBC too, for their PSA calling the NRA insane for wanting to arm teachers. NBC had my favorite comedies, like The Office, Parks and Rec, etc. but I saw all those actors in the PSA, and I won't even look at them again. To me anything short of arming teachers is the equivalent of allowing students to die unnecessarily.

 

[churchmouse]

Or the .gov could institute double-plus absolute gun free zones, where they would "guarantee" no person will ever use a firearm. C'mon, they're SERIOUS this time!!

OK....I am on-board with this but they have to double pinky promise or I am out....I mean it this time....really....no kidding.

 

[Tanfodude]

cause we have a lot more schools?

That's the best answer you got?

 

[jrogers]

Just lock our kids up in prisons then, hardly ever any shooting there

We're trying! Haven't you seen modern school designs? They're essentially lightly-modified prisons.

Why not simply repeal the school zone gun ban laws which create these school shootings?

Politicians created school shootings by creating safe work environments for madmen. Repeal the no guns in schools laws and school shootings will cease.

This will cost nothing.

It will cost some hacks their political careers when their opponents buy ads saying that the hacks voted to endanger little Johnny and Janie by letting people tote guns into schools. It's just a matter of time before the halls run red with blood!

Which is a shame, because if people were less easily swayed by that sort of thing maybe our elected officials would be of a higher calibre.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

That's the best answer you got?

Because we're already 15 trillion dollars in debt with almost 220 trillion dollars' worth of unfunded liabilities?

I do agree, getting back to basics like structural soundness and training and arming the otherwise already-highly-trained adults throughout building is an excellent idea.

Or you could, you know, homeschool your children or otherwise provide them with a classical education. (www.FPEUSA.org)

Que (and others) have pointed out that some parents simply are not adept as teachers or otherwise suited for the job - make no mistake, it is a job - but with online offerings taught by highly-respected teachers, there is no longer a reason to keep sending your children to the place where they are the least safe - relatively speaking - every day if one does not wish to do so. Price is marginally more expensive than public school - I also factor taxes as well as bookbags/backpacks/school supplies into the equation - but far cheaper than private school, and they can still get peer-to-peer interaction. Win-win.

 

[XSVskill]

Lets create an Education Security Agency, and model it after the TSA!!

 

[churchmouse]

Because we're already 15 trillion dollars in debt with almost 220 trillion dollars' worth of unfunded liabilities?

I do agree, getting back to basics like structural soundness and training and arming the otherwise already-highly-trained adults throughout building is an excellent idea.

Or you could, you know, homeschool your children or otherwise provide them with a classical education. (www.FPEUSA.org)

Que (and others) have pointed out that some parents simply are not adept as teachers or otherwise suited for the job - make no mistake, it is a job - but with online offerings taught by highly-respected teachers, there is no longer a reason to keep sending your children to the place where they are the least safe - relatively speaking - every day if one does not wish to do so. Price is marginally more expensive than public school - I also factor taxes as well as bookbags/backpacks/school supplies into the equation - but far cheaper than private school, and they can still get peer-to-peer interaction. Win-win.

Also consider the germ factory aspect of all the kids in one room sharing who knows what from God knows where.

I sent my kids to Private schools. The classes were smaller, the staff more attentive and they actually learned something. I was made painfully aware of the extra costs you mentioned.
In this day and age I would consider the on-line teaching but the wife and I both worked and there would be no one to monitor the the program.

 

[jrogers]

Also consider the germ factory aspect of all the kids in one room sharing who knows what from God knows where.

Although it's not conclusive, there is some evidence to support the idea that children's exposure to germs is instrumental in immune system development.

Which is not to say that I'm happy when my kid turns up with a fever.

 

[churchmouse]

Although it's not conclusive, there is some evidence to support the idea that children's exposure to germs is instrumental in immune system development.

Which is not to say that I'm happy when my kid turns up with a fever.

I thought of that shortly after posting. A kid has to eat some dirt and a worm at some point to kick in the immune system. My point was that with the influx of folks from elsewhere there seems to be a lot of "New" flu and cold symptoms running amok.

 

[jrogers]

I thought of that shortly after posting. A kid has to eat some dirt and a worm at some point to kick in the immune system. My point was that with the influx of folks from elsewhere there seems to be a lot of "New" flu and cold symptoms running amok.

Well that's sort of the nature of influenza. Given the USA's relatively small population and high level of access to and education on sanitary practices it's much more likely that new strains will originate elsewhere. The big four pandemics of the last century all originated in other countries. I'm not sure what the presence of people "from elsewhere" has to do with anything, as influenza is perfectly happy hopping a lift around the world on whatever flight is most convenient. I doubt one is more likely to catch the latest superflu strain from someone from, say, China than the guy down the street who caught it picking his wife up at the airport.

Also I'm not entirely convinced there is significantly more of an "influx of folks from elsewhere" than in years past.

 

[HeadlessRoland]

I thought of that shortly after posting. A kid has to eat some dirt and a worm at some point to kick in the immune system. My point was that with the influx of folks from elsewhere there seems to be a lot of "New" flu and cold symptoms running amok.

I absolutely agree with the exposure - to a point.
However, due to the influx of illegal - and legal - immigrants who do not (usually by default) immunize, and with immunization rates fallen slightly over 2012, Indiana is actually in the upswing of a spread of pertussis. Pertussis. Whooping cough. One of the three parts of the trivalent tDaP vaccine. Since the 70s, Indiana has seen dramatic upswing in percentage of foreign-born peoples, accounting for 4.6% of State population as of 2010 census.

As for the common cold, no question that schools propagate and multiply the vector. Lice. Flu. Snot and blood. Kids are pretty filthy, even the clean ones are usually pretty filthy. And teachers - the pressure that is put on teachers to come in and teach, even in questionable health - is pretty heavy. Students too. So when a student or teacher does wind up under the weather, often they'll just push through and if contagious spread it to countless others. Otherwise it's take-home work.

 

[j4jenk]

Why.......why.........why.........does our society always look to treat the symptom rather address the root cause? There is a direct correlation between cirme, violence, and juvenile delinquency and the socialist leanings of a society. There can be no doubt that replacing personal responsibility with a collectivist mindset leads to irresponsible people who raise even less responsible children. A few generations after the Cold War moved from open hostility in Asia and Cuba to openly hostile(to freedom) academics in our classrooms, we have (re)elected B.H.O., relinquished our leadership position in the world, and are driving headlong toward become the massive socialist state that Joe Stalin only dreamed of.

Let me put it this way, when there were paddles at school, switches and chores at home, and the adults in both places held children accountable for their actions, we didn't need metal detectors at our courthouses, airports, or schools.

Rant off.