Thought experiment - would JFK be welcome in today's anti-2A Democrat party?

[JTScribe]

I mean, this is a quote of almost Cruz-ian proportions:

"By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fear of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the 2nd amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationship, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the 2nd Amendment will always be important."

That stands in start contrast into what we've come to expect from the usual suspects. I mean, wow, actual historical awareness?

Thoughts?

 

[Tactically Fat]

He'd be a "Republican" in today's market for sure. Still left-leaning - but not nearly as Socialist as many of today's D-politicians.

 

[mrjarrell]

Jim Webb is a member of the democratic in good standing, (and is considering a run for the WH) and he's got an impressive gun Rights record. While many of the front runners are no friend to gun owners, there seems to be a lot of room for differing viewpoints. A Kennedy would probably be quite welcome in today's party, (but you have to remember that the murdering of the Kennedy's was a major impetus for the gun control crowd). The democrat views on guns are becoming irrelevant. We're beating them across the board in the war on guns. Their stance doesn't matter any more.

 

[JTScribe]

Wow, one whole Jim Webb huh? That illustrates the point exactly.

Edit - Manchin, too, I guess.

BTW Kennedy was pretty conservative on many other issues as well, I think it illustrates just how far left the party has moved in the last 50 years.

 

[87iroc]

Rush(I know...he's a drug addict blow hard to some) but he has stated that Kennedy was the 'turning point' of the democratic party. It was like he's the line between the old democrats and the new liberal Vietnam era party. I have to agree from what I've seen...although the New Deal era during the depression is similar to the ideas of today...but I don't have time to think that far back in history right now.

Of course, Kennedy was similar to Clinton in his use of the white house...or so I hear.

 

[JTScribe]

Rush(I know...he's a drug addict blow hard to some) but he has stated that Kennedy was the 'turning point' of the democratic party. It was like he's the line between the old democrats and the new liberal Vietnam era party. I have to agree from what I've seen...although the New Deal era during the depression is similar to the ideas of today...but I don't have time to think that far back in history right now.

Of course, Kennedy was similar to Clinton in his use of the white house...or so I hear.

Marilyn Monroe >>>>> Monica Lewinsky

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The democrat views on guns are becoming irrelevant. We're beating them across the board in the war on guns

Irrelevant? Let's ask our fellows in CT, MD, CA, NH, or PA about how irrelevant they are. We are only beating them where there are no Democrats.

New Hampshire passed Constitutional Carry out of the legislature. The Gov. of New Hampshire just promised a veto. Which party does she belong to?

 

[GIJEW]

Irrelevant? Let's ask our fellows in CT, MD, CA, NH, or PA about how irrelevant they are. We are only beating them where there are no Democrats.

New Hampshire passed Constitutional Carry out of the legislature. The Gov. of New Hampshire just promised a veto. Which party does she belong to?

I think he meant 'nationally'. In 2004 & 2008 they were even trying to pretend that they 'support the 2A' because they'd figured out that 'gun control' was a losing issue for them. Agreed that on a local or state level they don't play that charade.

 

[GIJEW]

I mean, this is a quote of almost Cruz-ian proportions:

"By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fear of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the 2nd amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationship, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the 2nd Amendment will always be important."

That stands in start contrast into what we've come to expect from the usual suspects. I mean, wow, actual historical awareness?

Thoughts?

I believe Hubert Humphrey said something similar while campaigning in 1968, saying something like "the 2A is yet another obstacle to arbitrary government"

 

[AA&E]

I mean, this is a quote of almost Cruz-ian proportions:

"By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fear of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the 2nd amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationship, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the 2nd Amendment will always be important."

That stands in start contrast into what we've come to expect from the usual suspects. I mean, wow, actual historical awareness?

Thoughts?

Wait a second.. back the hell up... You mean to tell me the second amendment ISN'T about hunting rights?

 

[AA&E]

I think he meant 'nationally'. In 2004 & 2008 they were even trying to pretend that they 'support the 2A' because they'd figured out that 'gun control' was a losing issue for them. Agreed that on a local or state level they don't play that charade.

Hillary must not have gotten the memo.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Rush(I know...he's a drug addict blow hard to some) but he has stated that Kennedy was the 'turning point' of the democratic party. It was like he's the line between the old democrats and the new liberal Vietnam era party. I have to agree from what I've seen...although the New Deal era during the depression is similar to the ideas of today...but I don't have time to think that far back in history right now.

Of course, Kennedy was similar to Clinton in his use of the white house...or so I hear.

Probably the first time I've heard something from Rush that I agree with.

 

[Captain Bligh]

I don't think you can judge whether JFK would be welcome in today's Democrat party. JFK was a politician. Politicians say and do what is expedient to get themselves elected and keep themselves elected. It was a different time and different winds were blowing. JFK was a sailor; in whatever era he'd be sure to catch the prevailing wind of his party.

 

[PistolBob]

JFK and MLK would both be Republicans.

 

[ATM]

JFK would not be allowed the presidency today, it's a nuisance to assassinate folks at that level who don't work out as hoped.

 

[VN Vet]

Captain Bligh, that was almost an insulting statement about we Sailors. I think JFK would be more likely not to be so easily swayed by the political winds because of him being a Sailor. Plus he risked heavily his life for by fighting under Our Flag. Remember PT-109 and what he did to save the lives of his shipmates?

If I had a say in things, I'd make it mandatory that one must serve in the Military for a minimum of 5 years before one could could hold any National Office, but I degress.

Darnit PistolBob, I was going to say that about JFK, but you're right about MLK too.

 

[SSGSAD]

No, JFK would NOT be "welcome" in the "D" party today..... He was a LIFETIME Member of the NRA .....

 

[Kutnupe14]

JFK and MLK would both be Republicans.

Doubtful

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, JFK would NOT be "welcome" in the "D" party today..... He was a LIFETIME Member of the NRA .....

JFK's NRA ain't today's NRA.

 

[Kutnupe14]

JFK was, and should be remembered as a liberal. The fact that he was a member of the NRA means nothing, unless one is of the opinion that, standing alone, membership in the NRA makes on completely conservative. Which of course is nonsense.