The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[DadSmith]

 

[KLB]

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So, note to self:
Get vehicle in 2025.

How many don't already have that?

 

[actaeon277]

How many don't already have that?

 

[Leadeye]

I'm wondering how long before the government simply outlaws the IC engine and forces electric cars on the public. The investment in the big green mistake is getting so big that it's failure will be unpleasant for leadership.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'm wondering how long before the government simply outlaws the IC engine and forces electric cars on the public. The investment in the big green mistake is getting so big that it's failure will be unpleasant for leadership.

Hasn’t places like CA already done that? (Effectively, anyway by 2030 or so?)

 

[Leadeye]

Hasn’t places like CA already done that? (Effectively, anyway by 2030 or so?)

7 years away, plenty of time for green suppliers to siphon cash from companies scrambling to meet the deadline, only to see it pushed off again. Just that alone will be enough to push many into bankruptcy.

 

[KLB]

A lot have it already. People want their cars connected to their phones, remote start and anti-theft features(tracking and remote kill).

Here are a couple of examples.
Onstar from GM
OnStar
KIA

Kia Connect

owners.kia.com

 

[Route 45]

How many don't already have that?

I don't know a single vehicle that can determine that you are driving while impaired and take over control on its own. We're not talking about OnStar here.

 

[KLB]

I don't know a single vehicle that can determine that you are driving while impaired and take over control on its own. We're not talking about OnStar here.

One thing I love about INGO is it gets me to go do a lot of research.

That's not exactly what the law says, but I also did not see the actual law until now.

That is going to add a lot of cost to a car, if they can figure out some way to actually do it. Ideas in articles I read aren't going to work. Monitoring the air the cabin for alcohol for instance. A designated driver with a car full of drunks wouldn't be going anywhere.

For others that have not seen the actual law

 

[MRockwell]

An Overview of Federal Government Support for Electric Vehicles

Electric vehicles (EVs) have been heralded as the eco-friendly saviors of our transportation landscape, promising to reduce greenhouse gas emissions,…

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p&cvid=9b7101a0216543d8a779726869109943&ei=99 -'Overcharged': Major Study Shows True Cost of Owning an EV, 'Fueling' Equal to $17.33 Per Gallon
Would be helpful to see more studies on true costs, even on ICE vehicles also. Too much GOV involvement in both, JM2C.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

An Overview of Federal Government Support for Electric Vehicles

Electric vehicles (EVs) have been heralded as the eco-friendly saviors of our transportation landscape, promising to reduce greenhouse gas emissions,…

www.instituteforenergyresearch.org

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...p&cvid=9b7101a0216543d8a779726869109943&ei=99 -'Overcharged': Major Study Shows True Cost of Owning an EV, 'Fueling' Equal to $17.33 Per Gallon
Would be helpful to see more studies on true costs, even on ICE vehicles also. Too much GOV involvement in both, JM2C.

"The “EV transition” is just government cronyism backed up by the usual combination of state subsidies, taxpayer-backed loans, well-designed propaganda, and regulatory edicts. Policymakers would be wise to distance themselves from this project."

Hear that, republicans?

 

[JCSR]

Biden admin roasted for offering to pay Americans to send videos of their electric vehicles: 'Beyond parody'

Biden admin roasted for offering to pay Americans to send videos of their electric vehicles: 'Beyond parody'

The Biden administration was widely roasted this week for offering to pay Americans thousands of dollars to submit videos of their electric vehicle.

www.foxnews.com

 

[MCgrease08]

We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs

Grid updates mean utility pole demand has exploded

jalopnik.com

The latest victim in the push for electric cars: old growth trees used to make power lines.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs

Grid updates mean utility pole demand has exploded

jalopnik.com

The latest victim in the push for electric cars: old growth trees used to make power lines.

Hey wait! New idea! We could use the old windmill blades to make power line poles! Since they have to be replaced so often, it's a renewable resource!

 

[jamil]

if they can figure out some way to actually do it.

Here's an idea. Get two group of volunteers, one sober and one drunk. Have them drive cars that have special monitors and record all the parameters. And then feed that data to chatGPT and have it figure it out. Isn't that how we problem solve now?

 

[actaeon277]

So.
Will tickets be issued?
Or are we just going further down the road of "no responsibility"?

 

[oze]

We're Going To Have To Cut Down A Lot Of Big Trees To Upgrade The Electric Grid For EVs

Grid updates mean utility pole demand has exploded

jalopnik.com

The latest victim in the push for electric cars: old growth trees used to make power lines.

Can't they put them underground?

 

[indyblue]

Can't they put them underground?

It's much more expensive to bury and makes maintenance/repairs more difficult & costly too.

In open air, high voltage can bridge an air gap at about 10Kv per inch of air, so no insulation needed. In soil (much less wet soil) a fault in insulation can be a near dead short.

Why don’t we put power lines underground?

“Put power lines underground!” is a common hurricane season rallying cry. So why don’t we do it?

www.popsci.com

wires hanging above aren’t ready for life underground without some modifications, the most important of which is insulation. Electricity wires are, by their nature, very warm, as they’re channeling currents to and fro. In the open air, this heat can dissipate, but deep in the soil it can’t. That’s why utilities wrapped their underground wires in plastic and surround them with a conduit like oil to keep things from overheating.

While that may sound simple—anyone with a backhoe could do it!—it’s not. Depending on the density of the local population and the terrain, undergrounding can cost billions of dollars.

That’s not the only cost, either. Repairing underground systems is often more expensive than repairing those suspended in the air. “When the power goes out, there are two obstacles that [utility] faces before they can fix the line,” Kury says. “One, identification of the fault, and then two, access to the line.” While smart grid technology is making identification easier—devices could tell the utility exactly where in the system a given disruption lies—access to underground systems is hindered. Repairs often require disruptive digging, which is only made more difficult by frozen soils in a blizzard or floodwaters that often follow hurricane-force winds.

 

[oze]

It's much more expensive to bury and makes maintenance/repairs more difficult & costly too.

In open air, high voltage can bridge an air gap at about 10Kv per inch of air, so no insulation needed. In soil (much less wet soil) a fault in insulation can be a near dead short.

Why don’t we put power lines underground?

“Put power lines underground!” is a common hurricane season rallying cry. So why don’t we do it?

www.popsci.com

Thanks. We had no overhead wires in the Chicago suburbs, nor do we here in SW Fort Wayne.

 

[actaeon277]

Thanks. We had no overhead wires in the Chicago suburbs, nor do we here in SW Fort Wayne.

And, the density of customers will support that expense.

They do it in some towns near me. And they pay $$ for it.