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    According to the TPPF report — authored by energy experts Jason Isaac and Brent Bennett — the average model year 2021 EV would cost approximately $48,698 more to own over a 10-year period without the staggering $22 billion in taxpayer-funded handouts that the government provides to electric car manufacturers and owners. The analysis factors in federal fuel efficiency programs, electric grid strain, and direct state and federal subsidies.
    …According to a California Energy Commission assessment, California will need more than 2.4 million public chargers to accommodate about 15.5 million electric cars, trucks, and buses by 2035. That breaks down to 2.11 million chargers (including 83,000 fast chargers) to support 15.2 million electric cars, as well as 256,000 depot chargers and 8,500 public chargers for 377,000 trucks and buses.

    …Those chargers will have to be installed at curbsides, parking lots, parking decks, grocery stores, restaurants, convenience stores, big box stores, office buildings, strip malls, shopping centers, movie theaters, and a host of other locations so that drivers always have ready access to plug-in.

    By comparison, California now has about 11,000 gas stations, convenience stores, and other businesses that sell gasoline, which roughly converts to about 110,000 individual gas nozzles, according to an estimate by Jeff Lenard, vice president of Strategic Industry Initiatives at the National Association of Convenience Stores. That means the transition from fossil fuels to electrons will require California to install at least 20 EV charging ports for every gas nozzle by 2035.
     

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    Knock yourself out. CAFE standards go back to the 70s.

    I'm not really sure how CAFE puts them on the playing field either. What do you mean by that?
    CAFE standards did exist for a long time. Until about 2010-12 or so, they were pretty stable. What are they now? 40MPG? The greenies have forced a technically/virtually impossible goal for the kinds of cars Americans want to drive. Offsetting fleet gas mileage with vehicles that don’t use gas is a way of moving the denominator to achieve that corporate average fuel economy.
     

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    I will grant that they are probably the biggest reason that cars are all but gone and we have all SUVs and trucks now. It's kind of funny that the standard has driven trucks to grow in size.

    From what I can see EVs will have very little actual affect on a manufacturer's CAFE numbers, since the number of vehicles of each type is part of the equation.
     

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    Oh there's more!

    Speaking to car dealers around the country, Moore reported that their lots "are full of EVs" and only 10% of clients purchase EVs off the lot today.

    The economist further argued that auto industry-wide bailouts may be likely amid companies’ EV losses.

    "The federal government is also already offering all of these sweeteners to get people to buy electric vehicles. You get a $7,500, basically, check from the government every time you buy an EV. Let's not forget that we're subsidizing the battery companies, all of these things," Moore noted.

    "The taxpayers are paying for these things," he added. "And yet the most amazing thing is, even with all these sweeteners, Americans are still saying, I don't want them."

     

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    The state is actively working to get $148 million of federal taxpayer funds to build charging stations across the state.​


    “So the idea is to spend, like to cost effectively use the current money that we have to deploy as many charging stations as we possibly can so that it takes range anxiety out of people and they feel more comfortable buying electric vehicles,”


    This headline seems incorrect for the topic.

     

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    The state is actively working to get $148 million of federal taxpayer funds to build charging stations across the state.​


    “So the idea is to spend, like to cost effectively use the current money that we have to deploy as many charging stations as we possibly can so that it takes range anxiety out of people and they feel more comfortable buying electric vehicles,”


    This headline seems incorrect for the topic.

    Once they get rid of range anxiety what are they going to do about rage at the chargers for how long it takes to charge up a battery?
     

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    The state is actively working to get $148 million of federal taxpayer funds to build charging stations across the state.​


    “So the idea is to spend, like to cost effectively use the current money that we have to deploy as many charging stations as we possibly can so that it takes range anxiety out of people and they feel more comfortable buying electric vehicles,”


    This headline seems incorrect for the topic.

    What's the price of scrap copper these days? Also if you cut the cord on one of these chargers will you get shocked? Asking for a friend up north.
     
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