The Open Carry Argument

[Hayseed_40]

More forgotten purple? Don't confuse the n00bs

Ok, fixed it...

 

[The Glockantuan]

To the best of my knowledge there are ZERO posts on here regarding OC'ing and interactions with LEO. When they create a FAQ section, I am sure this will be part of it.

That surprises me a bit; could this open the door for people to come forth with these types of experiences? (I am assuming that it has happened to people at some point right?) Please share if so!

I know that I wouldn't be in trouble for carrying OC with my licence (I have my CCW), but I'm not keen on probably having a gun drawn on me while having to explain myself.

 

[Hayseed_40]

That surprises me a bit; could this open the door for people to come forth with these types of experiences? (I am assuming that it has happened to people at some point right?) Please share if so!

I know that I wouldn't be in trouble for carrying OC with my licence (I have my CCW), but I'm not keen on probably having a gun drawn on me while having to explain myself.

I was just kidding. Go back to the main carry page and look a few inches south. This is chock full o' threads about Encounters of the OC kind.

 

[Regionnus Rattis]

To the best of my knowledge there are ZERO posts on here regarding OC'ing and interactions with LEO. When they create a FAQ section, I am sure this will be part of it.

Enjoy - you can get some good info here. And, keep your hands away from ATM's mouth - he bites.

That surprises me a bit; could this open the door for people to come forth with these types of experiences? (I am assuming that it has happened to people at some point right?) Please share if so!

I know that I wouldn't be in trouble for carrying OC with my licence (I have my CCW), but I'm not keen on probably having a gun drawn on me while having to explain myself.

Where do you live with a CCW license? Here in Indiana, it's just a LTCH

 

[protias]

To the best of my knowledge there are ZERO posts on here regarding OC'ing and interactions with LEO. When they create a FAQ section, I am sure this will be part of it.

Enjoy - you can get some good info here. And, keep your hands away from ATM's mouth - he bites.

There have been a couple:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lle_sued_for_violating_gun_owners_rights.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...self_defense/169733-1_sbpd_officer_maxey.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._self_defense/157293-a_big_1_for_the_epd.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...fense/141370-had_the_police_called_on_me.html

 

[squirrelhntr]

There have been a couple:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lle_sued_for_violating_gun_owners_rights.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...self_defense/169733-1_sbpd_officer_maxey.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo..._self_defense/157293-a_big_1_for_the_epd.html

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...fense/141370-had_the_police_called_on_me.html

these are a few reasons I CC. I pay LEO's to protect me not to interupt me. When it's accepted as normal then I might OC.

 

[jeremy]

these are a few resaons I CC I don't want to see a LEO let alone talk to one unless I have a reason to. I pay them to protect my life not to interupt my life. When it's excepted as normal then OC.

I OC probably 90% of the time and have yet to have an Officer interrupt my life, unless I was doing something wrong to start with...

By the way you do not Pay Officers to Protect you, you pay them to enforce the Law...

 

[Titanium_Frost]

these are a few resaons I CC I don't want to talk to a LEO unless I have a reason to. I pay them to protect my life not to interupt my life. When it's excepted as normal then OC.

I assume you mean "accepted" as in it becomes normal, everyday, common...

How do you expect that to happen without people actually OCing in public??? Just let everyone else do the legwork and reap the rewards?

Did you vote for Obama as well?

 

[Dead Duck]

When younger, I used to Pay Officers when they pull me over by handing them a 50.00 with my drivers license. I'm older now and have learned that Doughnuts do the same thing. And they're cheaper.

 

[protias]

these are a few reasons I CC. I pay LEO's to protect me not to interupt me. When it's accepted as normal then I might OC.

I OC a lot in WI and was harassed by 3 state patrol officers and then 3 county deputies later that day. They learned quickly to not do that.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZVz0V-bek0[/ame]

State Police interaction

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-QatoedXtc[/ame]

 

[thebishopp]

Just let everyone else do the legwork and reap the rewards?

This seems to be the prevalent attitude in most cases. Annoys the heck out of me.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Protias, that is a strange interaction! The cops were outside and went in before the owner even said anything or did the owner call on you?

If the owner called and wanted you removed it actually went pretty well because they were curtious and asked the owner twice if they did not allow them.

If they just came in to bother you that is RIDICULOUS!!!

 

[Hayseed_40]

Protias: I think the trooper did excellent. He was polite and respectful. When he asked if you knew they were not allowed, I cannot understand your response - did you state that you knew? Anyway, I say kudos to the troopers - they were doing what the property owner wanted. Where is the harrasment by the troopers - you were not obeying a lawful order. You should have imediately on notification got up and left to your car. The troopers obviously did not think of you as a threat - they turned their backs on you too many times.

Why did the deputies go to your house? That sounds weird.

 

[Hoosierdood]

Protias: I think the trooper did excellent. He was polite and respectful. When he asked if you knew they were not allowed, I cannot understand your response - did you state that you knew? Anyway, I say kudos to the troopers - they were doing what the property owner wanted. Where is the harrasment by the troopers - you were not obeying a lawful order. You should have imediately on notification got up and left to your car. The troopers obviously did not think of you as a threat - they turned their backs on you too many times.

Why did the deputies go to your house? That sounds weird.

I wasn't there but it sounds like the deputies followed him into the restaurant. The restaurant owner did not call the cops. This is coming from the fact that the cops ask the owner twice if he allowed firearms at the restaurant. Is the restaurant owner had called the cops they would have already known that he didn't allow firearms at his business. The second video indicates that the restaurant owner change his mind later. That is a further indicator that he was not the 1 who called the cops. The harassment comes in the fact that the cops followed him into the restaurant without being called first.

I was not there and I may be totally off base on this.

 

[squirrelhntr]

I OC probably 90% of the time and have yet to have an Officer interrupt my life, unless I was doing something wrong to start with...
The people in the post I quoted were't doing nothing wrong by OC'ing, yet their lives were interupted. I CC for many different reasons. Being interupted with my family at a resturant is one of em.


By the way you do not Pay Officers to Protect you, you pay them to enforce the Law...

I pay them to enforce the drunk driving laws. That Protects me while I'm driving on or crossing the street. We all pay them to enforce the laws to Protect the community from criminals.

 

[protias]

Protias, that is a strange interaction! The cops were outside and went in before the owner even said anything or did the owner call on you?

If the owner called and wanted you removed it actually went pretty well because they were curtious and asked the owner twice if they did not allow them.

If they just came in to bother you that is RIDICULOUS!!!

Please read the thread, that's why I linked it.

Protias: I think the trooper did excellent. He was polite and respectful. When he asked if you knew they were not allowed, I cannot understand your response - did you state that you knew? Anyway, I say kudos to the troopers - they were doing what the property owner wanted. Where is the harrasment by the troopers - you were not obeying a lawful order. You should have imediately on notification got up and left to your car. The troopers obviously did not think of you as a threat - they turned their backs on you too many times.

Why did the deputies go to your house? That sounds weird.

Please read the thread, that's why I linked it.

I wasn't there but it sounds like the deputies followed him into the restaurant. The restaurant owner did not call the cops. This is coming from the fact that the cops ask the owner twice if he allowed firearms at the restaurant. Is the restaurant owner had called the cops they would have already known that he didn't allow firearms at his business. The second video indicates that the restaurant owner change his mind later. That is a further indicator that he was not the 1 who called the cops. The harassment comes in the fact that the cops followed him into the restaurant without being called first.

I was not there and I may be totally off base on this.

The owner never prohibited. It was the WSP trying their "almighty aw-thor-i-tie." Have you ever known the Chinese to ever question police hence why her first response was "no," then no response, to the following week having 50 law abiding citizens being served fantastic food!

 

[jeremy]

I pay them to enforce the drunk driving laws. That Protects me while I'm driving on or crossing the street. We all pay them to enforce the laws to Protect the community from criminals.

SCOTUS says you do not pay them to Protect you...

 

[protias]

SCOTUS says you do not pay them to Protect you...

New to Open Carrying (OC) In WI, Here's what you should know

DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services (109 S.Ct. 998, 1989; 489 U.S. 189 (1989))
Balistreri v. Pacifica Police Department (901 F.2d 696 9th Cir. 1990
Zinermon v. Burch (110 S.Ct. 975, 984 1990; 494 U.S. 113 (1990)
Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. Ct. of Ap., 1981)
Riss v. New York, 240 N.E.2d 860 (N.Y.1968).
Hartzler v. City of San Jose, 46 Cal. App. 3d 6 (1st Dist. 1975)

Police Have No Duty to Protect Individuals

 

[squirrelhntr]

I assume you mean "accepted" as in it becomes normal, everyday, common...
TNX for the correction. I thought I changed the spelling.

How do you expect that to happen without people actually OCing in public??? Just let everyone else do the legwork and reap the rewards?
I don't plan to OC in public. The harassment is just one of the many reasons I'd rather CC. None of my bussiness how much legwork you do for OC. I won't reap the rewards because I CC. I get plenty of exercise. Legs are in great shape. No legwork needed here. But I'm glad ur gettin some exercise.

Did you vote for Obama as well?[/quote]
Who'd u vote for ??? I'm pro -gun plus pro-life do the math.

 

[squirrelhntr]

SCOTUS says you do not pay them to Protect you...

I know. You've never heard of "TO SERVE AND PROTECT"