The Nuclear Iran Situation

[pudly]

They're really running with the treason angle

Did 47 U.S. Senators Just Commit Treason By Attempting to Sabotage Iran Deal? - Bloomberg Politics

Treason is a serious accusation and this letter is not even close. I'm saying one could argue that it violates the Logan act. I personally don't know, it seems trivial but breaking the law is still breaking the law if that were the case.

Yes. It is a serious charge and as you can see, it has already been leveled against Senate Republicans. Feel free to present your argument against to them.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

It doesn't matter what was sent. They could have sent them baking recipes. If the intent was malicious against the executive branch, it could be a violation.

How about if their intent was to assert theitr constitutional role in government, which the current Chief Executive seems to flout with impunity, in part because of opinions like yours.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The media is winning:

https://twitter.com/StupidTeanuts/status/575344062607261696

A deal has NOT been reached 2 ratify yet. The #47Traitors attempted 2 sabotage discussions between US & other Allies. EXECUTE THEM

Yes. Execute. That's a rational and reasonable thing to do.

 

[mrjarrell]

While execution may be a stretch, they should certainly face censure. It is abundantly clear that they are indeed attempting to sabotage the negotiations with Iran. While not a case of treason, it is certainly a breech of protocol and an overreaching of their powers.

 

[Mark 1911]

While execution may be a stretch, they should certainly face censure. It is abundantly clear that they are indeed attempting to sabotage the negotiations with Iran. While not a case of treason, it is certainly a breech of protocol and an overreaching of their powers.

These days, overreaching of powers IS standard protocol in Washington. Don't necessarily agree with it, but sure seems to be an escalating problem.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Congress is a co-equal branch of government. If a POTUS announces that he intends to ignore it (and the Constitution), expect a reaction.

 

[zippy23]

obama doesnt follow the law. what choice do they have? How is it treason to stop the president from aiding our enemy in getting the greatest offensive and defensive weapon ever created in human history? Isnt that treason? Aiding an enemy gov't in the mass killing of our ally???? Do whatever needs to be done, law doesnt matter in washington anymore, this country is not a nation of laws anymore and if only one side plays by the rules, that side will never win against the other side that has no rules. whatever it takes at this point to stop obama is necessary.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Seems to me all they were doing is giving the Iranian government a "civics lesson" on the Separation of Powers in the US government. Quite unlike when the Democrats - Teddy Kennedy in particular - were advising Daniel Ortega to tone down his rhetoric to make it easier for the Dems to cut off funding for the Nicaraguan Contras in the 1980s.

Gotta amend this; it was John Kerry & Tom Harkin to went to Nicaragua to meet with Ortga and ask him to stop embarrassing the Dems while they werectrying to undermine Reagan's foreign policy. It was Ted Kennedy who contacted Yuri Andropov through an intermediary and offered to come to Moscow to discuss ways to undermine Reagan's nuclear policy in Europe.

 

[actaeon277]

White House petition wants senators charged with treason for Iran letter | Sun-Times National


Treason is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
How is this treason?

 

[pudly]

White House petition wants senators charged with treason for Iran letter | Sun-Times National


Treason is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.
How is this treason?

It makes perfect sense if you define opponents of Obama as the enemy.

 

[MisterChester]

Congress is a co-equal branch of government. If a POTUS announces that he intends to ignore it (and the Constitution), expect a reaction.

No, the legislative branch was intended to be the most powerful branch and they are. What exactly is Obama ignoring? It's been established that the executive branch has plenary powers in foreign affairs that do not require congressional delegation.

 

[T.Lex]

No, the legislative branch was intended to be the most powerful branch and they are.

Can you please elaborate on this?

Depending on what you mean, I disagree. NO branch was intended to be the "most" powerful. When the relative strength of the branches gets out of balance, that's when things go bad.

 

[MisterChester]

Can you please elaborate on this?

Depending on what you mean, I disagree. NO branch was intended to be the "most" powerful. When the relative strength of the branches gets out of balance, that's when things go bad.

I mean that back when the constitution was made, there was a lot of emphasis put on congress. I don't think powerful was the best word to use, but I can't think of a better way to put it. Maybe most influential?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

"Logan Act" is 2015's "Stand your ground"

Irrelevant talking point.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Gotta amend this; it was John Kerry & Tom Harkin to went to Nicaragua to meet with Ortga and ask him to stop embarrassing the Dems while they werectrying to undermine Reagan's foreign policy. It was Ted Kennedy who contacted Yuri Andropov through an intermediary and offered to come to Moscow to discuss ways to undermine Reagan's nuclear policy in Europe.

Well, in hindsight, senators were right. Reagan literally was committing treason.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Kerry: "We are not negotiating a legally binding plan" with Iran.

ALL of the nonsense about traitors and Netanyahu's speech. ALL OF IT. Lies. They're not even making a deal.

http://twitchy.com/2015/03/11/bibi-...tweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

 

[T.Lex]

I mean that back when the constitution was made, there was a lot of emphasis put on congress. I don't think powerful was the best word to use, but I can't think of a better way to put it. Maybe most influential?

Well, the power of the purse strings was viewed as strong leverage in policy decisions, so I'll give you that.

There are 2 problems with that today:
1) We changed how senators are "made." Popular election of senators, in hindsight, might not be such a good idea.
2) There is now a 4th branch of government - the administrative branch. It is a conjoining of parts of the executive and legislative in a way that was not intended. That branch is now arguably the most powerful.

Well, in hindsight, senators were right. Reagan literally was committing treason.

No no no - that was foreign policy.

Plus, and for me to be consistent, I have to admit it was principled, too. Reagan's guiding principle can be summed up as: Whatever it takes to make the US the most dominant nation on the planet. His means to that end were not always ethical or legal, but... that was his principle.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Without making a separate Iran thread, this is sort of humorous.

Former Iranian President Ahmadinejad beaten up in Turkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZrdMx6e9k&feature=youtu.be

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Regarding Tom Cotton and the Senator's letter, 2007 Obama agrees with them.

Obama in '07: Congress' Responsibility to 'Constrain' Presidents Pursuing Wrong-Headed Polices - Breitbart

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Source: Senate panel probing ?possible Obama administration ties to anti-Netanyahu effort | Fox News