The Democrat Primary Race Is Filling Up

[jamil]

If Biden leads going into a contested convention, then I’m confident he’ll win the nomination. If Bernie leads by a small margin, his delegates will probably abandon him based on DNC rules, and vote for Biden.
Since both scenarios are written into the DNC rules, what’s the issue? Delegates are going to pick the candidate that they believe is best able to win. I think it’s a no-brainer, that Biden is that person. The only reason people around here are saying “follow the money,” or saying that Bernie would be “screwed,” out of the nomination, is because they recognize that fact, and would prefer a weaker candidate facing Trump.

Uh, the Bernie bots think he’s getting screwed. They thought he got screwed last time. 12% of them voted for Trump.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Uh, the Bernie bots think he’s getting screwed. They thought he got screwed last time. 12% of them voted for Trump.

Yeah, the Bernie bros think this is the same thing as last time... it's decidedly not! In 2016 the "establishment" was going to step in to "take" the nomination away using super delegates... this time, they just encouraged several candidates who had no chance whatsoever other than as spoilers to step aside and let the primary voters decide.

And, as far as the MSM tipping the scales of coverage to near propaganda levels against their guy... welcome to our world, lol!

 

[jamil]

Your quid pro quo ain't the same as Joe's quid pro quo. Same words. Different intent.

Shocking I know. But that's why one guy gets impeached and should have been thrown out of office....and makes you want to rub the hair on the other guy's leg.

English. It's what's for dinner!

I thought we’ve been through this. There is no better proof for Trump’s intent than for Joe’s. Yet you think your guy is innocent and the other guilty. I mean. Maybe if you’re feeling your way through it. But I’ll admit I don’t know the intent of either.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

Folks who think they can make a "career" preparing fries and coffee for others will never have any wealth to speak of...

The "wealthy", those in the top 10%, 1%, etc have their wealth invested in financial instruments that have recovered and done very well since the financial crisis... well until very recently (the stock market reaction to corona). The middle quintiles, the middle class, overwhelming has their wealth accrued in home equity. Housing prices have not fully recovered. When and as they do, we will create more millionaires, and more millionaire households as a percentage of the populace...

And, the wealth inequality index will... go up even more.

As the percentage of millionaire households increase from 12.5% to 13%, 14%, hey let's hope 15%.... yay, right!?!?! Or not?

As the net wealth needed to be in the top quintile (the top 20% for the non-math types) increases from the current $500,000 to $600,000 or $700,000.... wealth inequality will GO UP!

And this is a bad thing?

ETA: Nothing wrong with starting (I had two earlier in life) at a minimum wage job... but if one has no ambition beyond that, please don't expect ot accrue wealth.

Why is wealth inequality such a bad thing? Shouldn't folks taking on the highest amount of risk and investing the most money reap the most rewards? Isn't striving for more what fuels innovation? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I thought we’ve been through this. There is no better proof for Trump’s intent than for Joe’s. Yet you think your guy is innocent and the other guilty. I mean. Maybe if you’re feeling your way through it. But I’ll admit I don’t know the intent of either.

I agree... you cannot "divine" intent... but you can sure look at results.

After the prosecutor firing, ALL CRIMINAL CHARGES against the Burisma CEO were dropped, he re-paid a small fraction of the $75M he embezzled, it was just an accounting error wink-wink nod-nod, and returned to the Ukraine, keeping all the gas/oil licenses he gave to himself, and is living there happily ever after. #OligarchLife

Maybe someone should look into that... seems corrupt.

 

[jamil]

I really REALLY dislike F. Chuck Todd, but I did happen to catch a little of MTP. They were showing via graphics a variety of ways in which Biden's victories on Super Tuesday were supported by greater turnout across different demographics. At least 1 place had a nearly double voter turnout than 2016.

Of course, completely left out of the analysis was that the 2016 cycle had primaries for both parties - so people had to self-select which one to vote in. This time, the Dem primary was the only game in town. So, that will stilt things badly. (Granted, going back to 2008 may not have been very helpful either.)

Anyway, beyond the obvious minority-turnout increase, it looks like some historically suburban-Republican counties had high turnout. That could be a faultline in the coalition that elected Trump in 2016. Political people will tell you that primary voters usually tend to vote the same way in the general, or stay home. Having pulled the lever/pushed the button for a candidate once, it is easier to do it again.

Taken together, voters who either stayed home in 2016 or voted for Trump in order to shake things up, may not be as willing to do so in 2020.

For Trump, this may not be the done deal that we all expect.

I think the people predicting a Trump landslide are premature. But, there’s a lot of confidence, at least a projected confidence, by some democrats too. Either side could be very disappointed in November. It just depends which side has the best turnout in the states that are contested.

It doesn’t matter if California has record turnout. It matters if swing states have high turnout. And, if the turnout is high, but Biden didn’t win, or didn’t win by a lot, that doesn’t mean people are excited about voting democrat.

One other thing to consider, assuming Warren and Bernie are vying for pretty much the same voters, even though she had a poor showing, Bernie could have won more states than Biden if Warren would have bowed out before Super Tuesday instead of after. Her share was the difference in enough states to have mattered.

So, does the turnout mean voters are highly motivated to vote democrat and are just sorting out which one? Or, is it more of a referendum on Bernie & Warren’s revolution, and generally the direction for the party. Maybe it’s both. Maybe it’s just one or the other.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

I thought we’ve been through this. There is no better proof for Trump’s intent than for Joe’s. Yet you think your guy is innocent and the other guilty. I mean. Maybe if you’re feeling your way through it. But I’ll admit I don’t know the intent of either.

Why is questioning the character of a conservative spouse permissible, yet liberals are off limits. There seems to be a pattern forming here.

 

[Alpo]

Folks who think they can make a "career" preparing fries and coffee for others will never have any wealth to speak of...

The "wealthy", those in the top 10%, 1%, etc have their wealth invested in financial instruments that have recovered and done very well since the financial crisis... well until very recently (the stock market reaction to corona). The middle quintiles, the middle class, overwhelming has their wealth accrued in home equity. Housing prices have not fully recovered. When and as they do, we will create more millionaires, and more millionaire households as a percentage of the populace...

And, the wealth inequality index will... go up even more.

As the percentage of millionaire households increase from 12.5% to 13%, 14%, hey let's hope 15%.... yay, right!?!?! Or not?

As the net wealth needed to be in the top quintile (the top 20% for the non-math types) increases from the current $500,000 to $600,000 or $700,000.... wealth inequality will GO UP!

And this is a bad thing?

ETA: Nothing wrong with starting (I had two earlier in life) at a minimum wage job... but if one has no ambition beyond that, please don't expect ot accrue wealth.

There are good and bad effects as a result of wealth concentration. And while science fiction writers by and large picture a dystopian future as a result of burgeoning populations and corporate-controlled states, that doesn't need to be true. It largely depends on the manner in which wealth is used by those who are wealthy. I won't be so bold as to tell them how to spend their money, but I will say that the 7 deadly sins are as old as Christianity and have their roots in Greece and Rome prior to that.

 

[nonobaddog]

I thought we’ve been through this. There is no better proof for Trump’s intent than for Joe’s. Yet you think your guy is innocent and the other guilty. I mean. Maybe if you’re feeling your way through it. But I’ll admit I don’t know the intent of either.

That is how you tell when somebody is not reading/understanding/paying attention and just wasting electrons and everybody's time.

 

[nonobaddog]

Why is wealth inequality such a bad thing?

It is definitely NOT a bad thing. Right now I could not afford to say start an airplane manufacturing company or even a car manufacturing company. So if everybody has exactly what I have nobody would be able to do it. Not the best example I am sure but hopefully the point is clear enough.

 

[Alpo]

Only because the intent of both individuals is consistently misrepresented by your side. Trump did not have support of allied countries in his quest to investigate Biden in the Ukraine. He had Giuliani.

Trump was impeached. He was acquitted. It does not mean he was not guilty.

 

[nonobaddog]

[video=youtube;DrpXyXKZUR4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=DrpXyXKZUR4&feature=emb_l ogo[/video]

 

[jamil]

Interesting chart. If you look at actual numbers rather than those put out by a bogus university, the actual chart looks more like the socialism chart. Top guys with all the money. Everyone else.....peanuts.

But, hey. What do you expect from Russkies running a bogus university?

Uh, you seriously fact-checking their name? They don’t claim to be an actual university. It is a 501c org that produces videos on political topics from a conservative point of view.

About the Russkies, you’re joking, right? You guys need a new shtick to blame for opinions you don’t like.

 

[jamil]

Only because the intent of both individuals is consistently misrepresented by your side. Trump did not have support of allied countries in his quest to investigate Biden in the Ukraine. He had Giuliani.

Trump was impeached. He was acquitted. It does not mean he was not guilty.

Okay. So long as we both agree that there is no better evidence for the intent of either.

 

[Alpo]

Uh, you seriously fact-checking their name? They don’t claim to be an actual university. It is a 501c org that produces videos on political topics from a conservative point of view.

You call yourself a University, there is an expectation that you represent a University. If he said he was an FBI agent, he'd be in jail. But, because he's just lying about a University, then it's OK I guess. Sort of a poor man's Trump University.


....oh

 

[Alpo]

Okay. So long as we both agree that there is no better evidence for the intent of either.

Without witnesses and depositions, there is no better 'available' evidence. With witnesses under oath, I believe you would be in error.

 

[jamil]

I think many economists have expressed concern about wealth concentration. You don't need to be a socialist to be concerned. Personally, it isn't likely to affect me or my kids. But sometimes one must think beyond the boundaries of one's family and recognize that the long-term effects of wealth concentration is slavery.

WTF?

I’m not picking on ya man, but you’re saying some things that have me worried. Long term effects of wealth concentration is slavery? Please tell me you haven’t gone woke. I mean, at least put some quotes around that so we know you’re not meaning literally slavery. I mean, real ass slavery? First the russia-Prager connection with weak circumstantial, well, I hate even to call that evidence. And now “slavery”? I mean. Are you getting this from Slate?

 

[Alpo]

Perhaps you should travel more. Visit a 3rd world country and see how wealth distribution has affected the conditions for its citizens. Or read a little economics on the colonial era.

If you see the world as your space in Indiana, I suppose you avoid all those nasty macro ideas.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

Without witnesses and depositions, there is no better 'available' evidence. With witnesses under oath, I believe you would be in error.

Democrats say. . .

 

[Dead Duck]

I'm not worried.
I'm making all my slaves vote for Trump.





Why are we talking about slaves again?